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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    There will never be a time in any country, ever, without low skill, poorly educated workers. They're in that position for all kinds of reasons, many of them their own doing, many of them factors beyond their control. And if you immediately made every worker in the U.S. skilled and responsible according to your metrics, we'd still need cashiers, McD workers, janitors, yard guys, etc. Millions and millions of them to make the economy hum. Now what are you going to blame for their low wages?

    But the bottom line is I have a hard time calling people WORKING a JOB an example of their "utter irresponsibility" because it's low paid. Not everyone can be above average intelligence, with above average skills making above average wages.
    Those jobs are supposed to be filled by teenagers, kids living at home with most of their expenses covered, as a place to learn basic work skills and develop a work ethic. Then they move on, either up the ladder to better paying jobs, or elsewhere once they get their education. These jobs were never intended for a living wage and anyone who is trying to do so is doing it wrong. And I'm not talking about people who, due to the economic downturn, got stuck in a low-paying job, I'm talking about people who have NEVER had a decent job in their lives, yet they have kids and other expenses, voluntary expenses I might add, that now they expect society to cover because they are irresponsible. Anyone who doesn't live within their means is, by definition, irresponsible. It isn't the job of McDonalds or Walmart or anyone else to pay them more because they made bad life choices, it certainly isn't the job of the American taxpayer to pay for their stupid decisions. It is theirs. They need to get it through their heads and man up.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    There will never be a time in any country, ever, without low skill, poorly educated workers. They're in that position for all kinds of reasons, many of them their own doing, many of them factors beyond their control. And if you immediately made every worker in the U.S. skilled and responsible according to your metrics, we'd still need cashiers, McD workers, janitors, yard guys, etc. Millions and millions of them to make the economy hum. Now what are you going to blame for their low wages?

    But the bottom line is I have a hard time calling people WORKING a JOB an example of their "utter irresponsibility" because it's low paid. Not everyone can be above average intelligence, with above average skills making above average wages in high skill positions.
    An individual's wage is not determined by their skill. It's determined by their replaceability.

    A fast food employee is highly replaceable because pretty much anyone can walk into the job and achieve competence in a week or less. The cost of quality machinery to replace these highly replaceable employees is rapidly approaching the current wage base and when it does those positions will be replaced. Now, if the people currently holding those positions or seeking those positions want to maintain their economic viability they need to adjust their skill set to accommodate a position that is not as easily replaceable.

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    I can see it now.

    "Big mac please"
    "You just need to bring up the MacDonald's app on your tablet."
    "I don't have a tablet. I have cash and an appetite, though."
    "Sorry, we don't take cash any longer. We don't have anyone to handle it. The Mac App will allow you to pay electronically."
    "You mean I can't get a hamburger unless I order it with a tablet and a Mac App and pay for it electronically?"
    "That's right."
    "Shoot, now I guess I'll have to go buy a tablet. Anything else I can do with it?"
    "Sure you can access the internet and play games."
    "I just want to buy a hamburger."
    "Sorry, Sir. Next."

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    An individual's wage is not determined by their skill. It's determined by their replaceability.

    A fast food employee is highly replaceable because pretty much anyone can walk into the job and achieve competence in a week or less. The cost of quality machinery to replace these highly replaceable employees is rapidly approaching the current wage base and when it does those positions will be replaced. Now, if the people currently holding those positions or seeking those positions want to maintain their economic viability they need to adjust their skill set to accommodate a position that is not as easily replaceable.
    Well, let's be honest, the more skilled a person is, the less replaceable they are, so maybe both positions are correct. If McDonalds can get a machine that will do all of the things a cashier can do, and do it more efficiently, with less error and for less money, why wouldn't they automate? Maybe those workers need to be more valuable to their employer? Maybe they need to stop being little more than sacks of meat in a uniform? I was just in McDonalds last night and someone came up to the counter complaining that the drinks coming out of the drink machine didn't taste right and I swear, the cashier looked like a deer in the headlights. They had no clue what to even say. These are not people who are worth minimum wage.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    It's more complicated than that. But then you obviously don't run a business. I own and run two.

    please explain

    i am second in command of a 100 million dollar company

    it really is that simple

    revenue - costs = gross profit
    less all expenses = net profit (bit) before income taxes

    what else factors in?

    been doing this 30+ years.....gonna learn something new maybe
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    They'll pay them more when Congress gets off its fat ass and increases the Federal minimum wage.

    it will be raised

    probably to around 9.00 or 9.25 hour

    it will be a 3 year jump

    but it will not be to 15.00 hour

    the chamber of commerce, and business wont stand for that % of increase
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I can see it now.

    "Big mac please"
    "You just need to bring up the MacDonald's app on your tablet."
    "I don't have a tablet. I have cash and an appetite, though."
    "Sorry, we don't take cash any longer. We don't have anyone to handle it. The Mac App will allow you to pay electronically."
    "You mean I can't get a hamburger unless I order it with a tablet and a Mac App and pay for it electronically?"
    "That's right."
    "Shoot, now I guess I'll have to go buy a tablet. Anything else I can do with it?"
    "Sure you can access the internet and play games."
    "I just want to buy a hamburger."
    "Sorry, Sir. Next."
    Please. First off there will ways be a way to accept cash at automated counters. Secondly, that's how things are going. Technology replaces replaceable jobs in a sophisticated society.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Please. First off there will ways be a way to accept cash at automated counters. Secondly, that's how things are going. Technology replaces replaceable jobs in a sophisticated society.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Those jobs are supposed to be filled by teenagers, kids living at home with most of their expenses covered, as a place to learn basic work skills and develop a work ethic. Then they move on, either up the ladder to better paying jobs, or elsewhere once they get their education. These jobs were never intended for a living wage and anyone who is trying to do so is doing it wrong. And I'm not talking about people who, due to the economic downturn, got stuck in a low-paying job, I'm talking about people who have NEVER had a decent job in their lives, yet they have kids and other expenses, voluntary expenses I might add, that now they expect society to cover because they are irresponsible. Anyone who doesn't live within their means is, by definition, irresponsible. It isn't the job of McDonalds or Walmart or anyone else to pay them more because they made bad life choices, it certainly isn't the job of the American taxpayer to pay for their stupid decisions. It is theirs. They need to get it through their heads and man up.
    I'm not sure what your point is. We have millions of low wage jobs that will always be filled by someone. And after we offshored 10 million or so good paying production jobs to lowest common denominator locations, there aren't many options for people to move up to. My uncle married a woman from a family where NONE of the family had ever graduated from HS. It worked out OK for them because they lived near a bunch of manufacturing plants, and they worked hard and made a decent living. Those are gone now, and there isn't much left. They get their GED and then what?

    We eliminated perhaps 10 million production jobs that create real value and replaced them with low value added service jobs. And you're blaming people who fill those jobs for being low paid in positions that will always be low paid. You can blame democrats for the offshoring, high taxes and regulations or whatever, but it sure as hell isn't the fault of workers in towns hollowed out when the manufacturing left and all that came in to replace them was a job at Walmart making 1/3 the pay. I guess everyone should be an engineer or something.

    There's this weird strain in the republican party that is proudly contemptuous of poor people.

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    An individual's wage is not determined by their skill. It's determined by their replaceability.

    A fast food employee is highly replaceable because pretty much anyone can walk into the job and achieve competence in a week or less. The cost of quality machinery to replace these highly replaceable employees is rapidly approaching the current wage base and when it does those positions will be replaced. Now, if the people currently holding those positions or seeking those positions want to maintain their economic viability they need to adjust their skill set to accommodate a position that is not as easily replaceable.
    I have no doubt machines will replace every worker that machines CAN replace eventually.

    So, everyone should be high skilled. I'm sure that is good advice, but not everyone is capable, and even if they were capable we'd still need low skill jobs. Mowing your lawn doesn't require any skill either, nor does cleaning a building, stocking shelves, etc.

    This stream of comments is a nice way to avoid the issue of what to do about poor workers by just blaming them for being poor, and then concluding, as far as I can tell, that because it's their fault that society has no obligations. If they are only worth $1 an hour, well, that's too bad - guess they'll need to beg for the remainder? I'm not sure what the 'solution' is.

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