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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    OK, I gather you have an MBA then.

    The main reason for automation is what? To save costs?

    I suggest you rethink that part of the equation and look into the development of automation in the auto industry.

    I don't give a fiddler's **** what your personal preferences are, it is irrelevant to the conversation. The point which you appear to deliberately ignore is that there are going to be far fewer jobs all around and the US is NOT keeping pace with the demand of technological training; the reason you have a higher unemployment rate than any other industrialized country.

    Minimum wage won't mean squat when there are no minimum wage jobs. That is the reality you seem to miss. and when the **** are "progressives" going to drop the 100 year old mantra about minimum wage; it was a good meme for Obama in 2012 but it is largely as irrelevant today as it was when it was first raised over 100 years ago.


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    You don't care about my concern, then don't read it.

    Don't worry, I won't read yours because I have not the foggiest idea what you are going on about...and I don't much care, either. And why you are semi-freaking out about it is beyond me.

    Lighten up.


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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    While this is true on principle, you're wrong about the $15/hour number being some tipping point for the fast food industry.
    I don't know what the tipping point is for the fast food industry.

    But if they are starting to automate with a national minimum wage at $7.25/hr., logic dictates that they will greatly increase automation at $15/hr...especially considering how unskilled most fast food jobs are.

    Plus, since there has never been a national $15/hr. national minimum wage in America, then it is impossible to know what effect one would have on various businesses were it implemented in the near future.

    I am not saying I know that it would cause mass automation, I cannot know that.

    But I do know that it would increase the desire of corporations to automate minimum wage jobs as much as possible.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Ignoring your continued stubbornness about calling other restaurants (which does not happen outside of the same chains and co-owned businesses), there is a ton of overstaffing on the books. But every person you hire to cook (or cashier) requires training. Training costs money. This is an added cost, making the 10% figure a minimum expense. After taxes, SS, medicare, benefits, training requirements, and overstaffing the schedule, 10% is an incredibly low estimate. 10% is just wages, and just for cashiers.
    We're not talking about cooks. We're talking about ordeer takers

    You mean like the very generous analysis of likely required manning for register shifts (84 man-hours, or 3.5 24-hour shift blocks) which equates to roughly 10% of gross sales, just for wages (not other expenses), that you called not a large part of their expenses?
    Correct. 10% is not a large part of anything
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    We're not talking about cooks. We're talking about ordeer takers



    Correct. 10% is not a large part of anything
    To me it is disheartening how easily you seem to dismiss the job of someone else...To you, this isn't a huge problem, and you're probably right in the big picture, not many will notice. If anything many will probably cheer with the increased better service being able to punch in the correct order. But, the times that conversations often go in these areas where liberals rail that these are not just minimum wage jobs, but people, with families, that need the income, you argue now seemingly that they don't matter...That's just callous, and wrong.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    To me it is disheartening how easily you seem to dismiss the job of someone else
    I've dismissed no job. I merely pointed out that the money McD's pays their counter people is only a small part of the operating expenses.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    If operating costs suddenly jumped, betyourass those ordering stations get fast-tracked to the market. Given a potential small decline in sales vs a LARGE jump in operating costs, money would once again drive the decisions. Right now, it's probably cheaper to maintain the status quo and wait for society to get better used to more and more automation. That, and perhaps one of the other chains will implement it first and take a brunt of the marketing costs (and R&D, and social experimentation) on their own chin.
    But it's already a huge money saver. So why not the fast-track? It's only a small loss in sales. What numbers have you fabricated in your head for sales losses?
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    We're not talking about cooks. We're talking about ordeer takers
    Ah, it's illiteracy then. You'll notice you quoted me here, "10% is an incredibly low estimate. 10% is just wages, and just for cashiers." Cashiers are order takers.

    Correct. 10% is not a large part of anything
    So you'd be in favor of reducing the tax rate of the wealthy by 10%. Or increasing the tax rate on the poor by 10%. It's such a small part of anything, after all.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I've dismissed no job. I merely pointed out that the money McD's pays their counter people is only a small part of the operating expenses.
    I don't believe that to be totally true. Although there are larger expenses that labor in business, typically employees of any company are one of the bigger expenses, certainly more than 10%.

    Do you have any documentation showing that a franchise owner running one or more McD's only pays out 10% of gross to their employees?
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    But it's already a huge money saver. So why not the fast-track? It's only a small loss in sales. What numbers have you fabricated in your head for sales losses?
    I haven't the first clue what a potential loss in sales might be. Fast food in general has been on the receiving end of brutal attacks from a number of groups for years now - parent groups, nutrition groups, doctors, you name it, and for good reason. A very plausible explanation for why McDonald's is reluctant to roll out an automated order taking system (which is vastly cheaper than employees for the same function) is the perception of fast food becoming vending machine food (even junkier junk food). Another reason may be the perception of automating people out of jobs. There is no lack of borderline socialists ready to pounce on any successful company for being perceived as "greedy", "anti-people," and "against the little guy". If McDonald's has a strong marketing department (and we know they do), they are probably sinking both time and money into changing these perceptions as we speak. So, to guess McDonald's thinks there may be the danger of a loss in sales greater than the cost savings from canning all their cashiers is a reasonable conclusion.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Ah, it's illiteracy then. You'll notice you quoted me here, "10% is an incredibly low estimate. 10% is just wages, and just for cashiers." Cashiers are order takers.



    So you'd be in favor of reducing the tax rate of the wealthy by 10%. Or increasing the tax rate on the poor by 10%. It's such a small part of anything, after all.
    I see that your pitiful attempt to derail the discussion by talking about cooks has now morphed into talk about cutting taxes.
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