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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'If you’ve ever felt guilty ordering at McDonald’s, the fast-food mega-chain has just the fix: You can now order your own quarter-pound bacon cheeseburger from a welcoming, non-judging machine.

    Battling the worst sales slump in a decade and competition from build-your-own upstarts like Chipotle and Smashburger, McDonald’s is expanding a test concept built around ordering via tablet. Just tap on a screen and watch as your burger’s toppings (and calories) pile on, then wait for an employee to bring it over. No human interaction necessary.

    McDonald’s move towards dehumanization, launched as a pilot last winter and expanded across San Diego last week, is part of a larger trend of chain eateries turning tablets into your full-time restaurant buddy: equal parts menu, server and paycheck. Applebee’s, Panera Bread and even airport bars have installed tablets to allow diners to order food or booze without a wait.'


    McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a machine - The Washington Post


    This is what happens when - among other reasons - you start demanding higher pay then your position is worth (like fast food workers demanding $15/hr.).

    If these fast food workers force Congress to adopt a $15/hr. minimum wage? I guarantee you that the above will be the result...automation and mass layoffs.

    It ain't rocket science people - you are VERY replaceable.
    Even if minimum wage jumped to $15 an hour it would still be exponentially behind the inflation rate not to mention that the US is one of the only modernized economies in the Western World which doesn't grant mandatory holiday pay no matter how many years you work for a company. Another great thing we have is the necessity (especially in rural communities) of getting two **** jobs because no company wants to grant overtime hours so instead of getting to work 60 hours with 20 hours of overtime at one place you still get to work 60 hours but at two places with no overtime pay. And if you're so concerned about fast food workers maybe you should take a stand for the actual enforcement of laws against Union breaking and workers right in America which are actually on par with the entire rest of the civilized world.

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    From a business standpoint this is a ridiculous move.

    The reason McDonalds's sales are slumping is because they have an inferior product as compared to their competition. 5 Guys, In 'n' Out, and others offer a better burger at more or less the same price.
    Ya 5 Guys is awesome and they have better fries too not to mention the quantity not just the quality is better as well, have you been to a McDonalds recently? Unless you order off the value menu everything there is ridiculously overpriced from what I remember from just a few years ago IIRC the Big Mac meal was something like $7 which again IIRC is a only a dollar less than a single burger and fries from 5 guys where it doesn't cost extra to get it with all the fixings including A1 sauce.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And if they have fewer of them, they'll be able to pay them more and not effect their bottom line. Really, this is a harbinger of things to come that aren't going to be pleasant for the uneducated and poorly educated among us. There was a time when a strong willing body was enough. We're fast approaching a time when that's not going to be nearly enough.
    Not sure the last time you tried to join the workforce in recent years but even if you have a Bachelors degree you will still a good chance you'll wind up in the service industry and even if you don't your entry level position will likely be less than what a server makes, that is if your entry level position isn't a 1 year internship that pays you nothing.

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'If you’ve ever felt guilty ordering at McDonald’s, the fast-food mega-chain has just the fix: You can now order your own quarter-pound bacon cheeseburger from a welcoming, non-judging machine.

    Battling the worst sales slump in a decade and competition from build-your-own upstarts like Chipotle and Smashburger, McDonald’s is expanding a test concept built around ordering via tablet. Just tap on a screen and watch as your burger’s toppings (and calories) pile on, then wait for an employee to bring it over. No human interaction necessary.

    McDonald’s move towards dehumanization, launched as a pilot last winter and expanded across San Diego last week, is part of a larger trend of chain eateries turning tablets into your full-time restaurant buddy: equal parts menu, server and paycheck. Applebee’s, Panera Bread and even airport bars have installed tablets to allow diners to order food or booze without a wait.'


    McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a machine - The Washington Post


    This is what happens when - among other reasons - you start demanding higher pay then your position is worth (like fast food workers demanding $15/hr.).

    If these fast food workers force Congress to adopt a $15/hr. minimum wage? I guarantee you that the above will be the result...automation and mass layoffs.

    It ain't rocket science people - you are VERY replaceable.
    isn't automation going to just get cheaper and cheaper any way so wouldn't McDonalds have done this any way?

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    My guess really doesn't. If the cost is equal, and you say it's getting there, then there exists a ton of incentives to avoid the incredible, daily hassle of dealing with low skilled employees, taxes, unemployment, calling in sick, failing to show, etc. I don't think the cost difference is the barrier - it's whether the machines can do the job as well as humans and whether people accept them. There are self checkout places in stores with wages FAR above minimum wage. If McD finds that people accept robots or automated kiosks, they'll replace workers whether they're paid $8 an hour or $15. As someone pointed out, in Europe they're getting $15. Why haven't they all been replaced by machines? At any rate, it's an objective question and you've cited no data or evidence, same as me.
    Automated kiosks already work better than cashiers.

    As for Europe, the automation conversion is way ahead of the US:

    In 2011: McDonald's hires 7,000 touch-screen cashiers - CNET


    Can you cite any study, treatise, discussion, or are we just supposed to take your word for it?

    I'm using your offered charts. With the explosion in spending you should expect more than the status quo in combating poverty, but that is what we got.


    That's mostly Medicare and SS, and the poverty rates of old people DID change. Look at the graph.
    First, Social Security and Medicare aren't welfare even though I believe their are far better ways to invest a person's Social Security taxes than sticking them in a lock box (with a broken lock), people still pay into the system. Hell, investing that Social Security money in the stock market would have had a FAR better return for those paying into the system since the 1960s. But those two programs are what amounts to forced savings plans for the individual and did have an impact on poverty in old age. The rest of the "War on Poverty" has been a bust over the last 40 years with poverty increasing among non-elderly recipients while government aid sky rocketed. The net result is an aggregated stagnation in the poverty rate to match massive growth in spending.

    Secondly, Social Security didn't increase massively in that time, and Medicare, while the single biggest program, was not even mostly responsible for the increase. It increased quite a lot, but so did everything else.

    Thirdly, I don't begrudge the elderly receiving the benefit of programs they paid for.

    (I think this discussion is about to hit the character buffer so I am breaking it into two here)
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

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    Being searched and scanned is plenty of trouble that I don't want to deal with. I haven't flown since before 9/11 and until the TSA stops violating peoples rights that isn't going to change. Consider it a strike on unjust treatment of citizens. Anyway, the drive was actually kind of enjoyable.
    Whatever. Being scanned is about as painless as it gets to me. I haven't been searched yet but if it happens it won't be a big deal either. Sure beats getting blown out of a plane at 30,000 feet in air temps of -70 F.

    I've taken showers in the same shower room with others in sports and gyms so could care less if someone sees my junk in a scan. Been through basic too where we were run through the showers like cattle.

    I say grow a pair and stop your whining. Stop wasting you time, money, fuel, and wear on your vehicle just to avoid a 4 second scan. Your junk isn't special; no one will remember it.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    They'll pay them more when Congress gets off its fat ass and increases the Federal minimum wage.
    But wasn't the point that the machine would bring down the cost and they will pay the remaining employees more?

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I wasn't just discussing jobs. You jumped in to a thread and want to determine what's an appropriate topic, which is what YOU want to talk about, after the fact.
    I jumped into a thread about McDonald's restaurant automation ... but somehow I got the crazy idea that the topic wasn't welfare.

    It wasn't me who said the only role for government was to "modernize" the workforce. If you wanted to say, "modernize the workforce, expand EITC, etc." then you should have said it instead of assuming we'd all understand you.
    I didn't say the role of the government was to modernize the workforce, I said it was to PROMOTE workforce modernization. I don't want the Government anywhere near the actual job of workforce modernization.

    Again, if you want to jump into a discussion, you can't then make the rules about what is appropriate to discuss.
    You are in a thread about McDonald's automation trying to make the discussion about welfare and poverty. YOU are the one derailing the topic.

    One reason jobs are going overseas are the subsistence wages and lack of safety rules, work rules, so they're poisoning workers and the population, which DOES make it cheaper to make stuff. Look up a picture of China - I've been there, and there were clear days you can't see a quarter mile because of the smog. Kills perhaps 500,000 Chinese per year. It's a big advantage, not to mention the explicit and implicit Chinese subsidies in general, such as them holding down their currency to make their goods cheaper and more.
    It's definitely a trade off. If cell phones and televisions were made in America then American poor wouldn't be able to afford them. It is no coincidence that American poverty was so high during the height of American protectionism, or that quality of American goods was so low.

    FWIW, I agree and have said we might as well subsidize the hell out of our manufacturers. It would make the playing field somewhat level. Lower the tax rate to zero for all I care - just tax wages and dividends and capital gains. The big boys already pay voluntary U.S. taxes on overseas profits. I'd rather domestic producers face the same option.
    Hey look, we are about 90% in sync on this.

    No they weren't, except for construction, in a BUBBLE. You're not really saying that's an equivalent trade off are you?
    Where did I say they were in a bubble?

    And I'm just looking at data. I've driven around lots of Tennessee towns that used to thrive and are now empty shells, and I see the wage data for the working class and it's declining or at best stagnant. If you have any data to present to make your case, do so. I've looked for years to find the evidence "free trade" works and just haven't seen it. But I'm open to learning new things. You got anything but you saying it's true?
    Well, for starters, anecdotes aren't data. How many of the hollow shells of towns were because jobs were moved over seas? Would the companies that moved over seas have survived in the market by keeping their manufacturing in that tow? What demands were made of the company by the town? Was the company financially able to meet those demands?

    Look at it this way: The focus on the number of companies moving jobs over seas is incredibly myopic when you compare that figure to the number of companies declaring bankruptcy each year. Nearly 35,000 companies declared bankruptcy in the US in 2013, it seems absurd that so many people want to focus on the off-shoring of jobs when the real problem is low profitability doing business in the US.

    But job loss of all kinds tends to be very over stated. I have seen quotes of 8 million manufacturing jobs lost over the last 30 years. While that sounds bad, there wasn't a commensurate increase of 8 million unemployed in that same time. People found other jobs.

    If you want a labor job that want get sent over seas then work in construction. Nobody has figured out how to off shore those jobs. Granted, low pay illegals are taking a lot of construction work in the US, which is sort of like off-shoring, but we are supposed to be OK with that.

    OK, and..... You had a ramp up in poverty spending and showed big drops in the poverty rate. Since then from what I've read most of the growth is in healthcare, which is consistent with growth in healthcare costs for everyone, and spending on other programs has been more or less similar, with small increases. So what should happen to the poverty rate given real wages for the bottom 20% have declined since the 1970s?
    The growth was across the board with a good chunk coming from health care.

    There is no big drop in poverty rate from the big ramp up in spending. There is a drop in poverty rate among the elderly and an increase in poverty rate among the young.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And picking the last 40 years is cherry picking because these programs have been around longer than that.
    If you want to discuss the stagnation in the war on poverty you pick the point where it stagnated in much the same way that you pick the point where the warming started to discuss global warming. This isn't cherry picking, it is discussing a 40 year trend.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    But wasn't the point that the machine would bring down the cost and they will pay the remaining employees more?
    why would the employer automate with the intent to use those cost savings to pay its employees a larger wage? profits are what drive business decisions. the employer expects to pay only what the market requires - and no more
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