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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Then why is there only 6 or so self checkouts and 30+ registers? It only appeals to a certain type of customer and most still prefer the same old customer service. If self checkouts were really so great you would only have 1 or 2 registers but obviously that is not the case.
    I've read that this is a way of weaning customers off of personal checkers. I think, from what I read, that it's working. Maybe the chains have been told this is the right number now, per their customer base, by marketing research firms?

    It's changing every year so I see it as silly to make the claim you did like it's set in stone. It's like people that said the car would never replace horse-drawn carriages. New technology takes time to be widely adopted.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... Have you been to a McDonald's as of late? There are usually 4-5 people working them even at peak hours. 1 on counter, 2-3 cooks, 1-2 people cleaning up the place. Just what exactly would McDondald's gain by firing the skinny girl at the front who earns 8.50 and then keeping on the rest of the staff at $15? Okay, so it's making a much needed improvement that seems reasonable and may be economically based. however to use this as an argument for why minimum wage is bad is kind of ridiculous. It's the 21st century, there isn't a single business out there who isn't looking for ways to one up the competition by incomporating tablets, cellphones and online ordering. This was bound to happen whether or not there was a minimum wage debate, just ask miners, autoworkers and the US steel industry. The non-existence of a minimum wage debate wouldn't have meant much to those who got laidoff by the inevitable introduction of computer software that doesn't need sleep or lunch breaks.
    Minimum wage isn't necessarily bad.

    Doubling it overnight is bad. Raising it to a point higher than ~45% of the average wage is bad.

    Let's look at some numbers. 24 hour x $7.5/hr x 7 days x 52 weeks = $65,520. So, $65k/yr just to run a register. This doesn't count payroll taxes, SS/Med, FICA, vacation days, sick days, potential overtime, etc. Three vanilla shifts per day, where nothing ever goes wrong, costs $65k/yr JUST for payroll. No additional taxes for the restaurant. Just payroll.

    At $15/hr, the payroll alone to run a register around the clock becomes $131,040. That is just the payroll, no employer contributed payroll taxes, SS/Med, etc.

    How much does a tablet cost?
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The US had something like this in the 1930's.... no person taking your order or handling money.... it was called an automat.
    Those existed well into the 60s too.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    BTW, the kiosks at our cafeterias are pretty fancy and offer alot of bells and whistles. (But are not complex to use). They require building, setting up and installing, software and updating, maintenance, and some on-site oversight.

    This is a whole 'nuther industry...that can provide more jobs for people, albeit ones with the motivation to get more education and develop more skills than required for flipping burgers. But certainly a foundation for that is provided in free public schooling, to be taken advantage of by all.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    First of all, I don't support a doubling of the minimum wage, but some do, and it would be appropriate in some very high cost locales, but not in my region. $15 an hour is higher than the median wage in many Tennessee counties. And whether I support it or not, it's not going to happen. Maybe to $10, which is what it was roughly 50 years ago.

    But we're both guessing on the impact. You like your guess, I like mine.
    Your guess avoids logic and real world developments of the last 50 years. I don't "like" mine, it's just what is going to happen.


    OK, and poverty would have been lower without the anti-poverty programs? SS should go away? How about Medicare? Or just welfare and food stamps? Medicaid?
    It appears the answer is yes in some cases. They don't seem to be helping. That isn't saying that there aren't the possibility of better programs that the money would be better spent on, however, just that the programs of the last 40 years have been abysmally inept.

    Mandatory spending between 1993 and 2013 outpaced inflation by more than a factor of three (Inflation was 61%, Mandatory spending rose 200%), and poverty rates didn't change. Surely you don't see this as a success?

    Of course that is what I said. Can you quote me? Thanks...
    That is the effect of what you advocate. Rather than make more skilled jobs you'd rather protect unskilled jobs.

    OK, like I said, you have to read your posts for the weasel words.
    Which is, ironically, your weasel-words way of saying you defend your choice to argue using straw men.

    Welfare and social services are an "idiotic tangent" in a discussion of poor unskilled workers? And I don't know which thread you're following, but the "idiotic tangent" of social services etc. has been a key part of this discussion.
    Yes they are, because when we are discussing JOBS you try to change the subject to a subject that is pretty much the OPPOSITE of jobs.

    Me: "Unskilled workers jobs are threatened by innovation, Does the government owe them anything?"

    You: "BLAAARG!! YOU WANT KILL WELFARE AND CHILDREN!!!"



    I didn't infer anything. The point is if McD lays off 100,000 and 500 new robot manufacturing and distribution jobs emerge, that's quite a different story than if 40,000 robot making jobs emerge. I was just trying to get some idea of what kind of replacement levels you anticipated.
    Yes, you intentionally inferred a comment about welfare from a comment I said that had nothing to do with welfare. It isn't a matter of "parsing for weasel words", it's a matter of you learning how to read in general without dumping a truck load of your own garbage on what the other person wrote.

    And the reason why my "vision of the way forward" is impaired is we have been hearing the conservatives cheer progress as you call it, free trade, modernization, etc. and the results are in and wages at the bottom are declining, flat in the middle for decades, we've offshored production jobs so in this reality those jobs making robots will be in China where workers make $2 an hour and there are no pesky environmental rules, few new jobs are created here, and worker productivity is up with all the automation, but wages for everyone but the very top are stagnant or declining. So the empty rhetoric doesn't convince me anymore - facts aren't consistent with it.
    When have we actually had a situation that matches this free trade and modernization? Jobs are going off shore because it is cheaper, companies are leaving because taxes are lower. You and every other nanny-state promoter ignore the simple fact that it is DEMOCRAT policies that are driving jobs over seas and driving companies to countries with lower taxes.

    You also ignore the reason why so many jobs ended up going to China, and the US lost it's edge over Japan in the automotive and technology markets: US Protectionism created s**ty products in the 70s and 80s.

    And the manufacturing jobs lost over seas were replaced with a booming services market in IT and contruction. Your way of processing information seems to rely heavily on zero sum logic... sprinkled with a healthy dose of the bigotry of low expectations for low income workers.

    And I'm not fearful of letting go of unskilled labor so much as recognizing it will happen. And the "idiotic tangent" was what to do when that happens? Maybe you support expanding EITC, and support Medicaid expansion and ACA subsidies, and other ways to subsidize the wages at the bottom. Or maybe you agree with the other person who says "Screw em." I don't know, you won't say - you're considering the other side of the coin as an idiotic tangent.
    I'm considering the other side of the coin as a tangent, and in fact, you are engaging in begging the question in your approach as well as assuming you know my position well enough to argue against it when I haven't said anything.

    Also, I am going to rescue your abandoned graphic to make my point:

    poverty_age.png

    Note that the only decline in the poverty rate in that 40 year span has been in the retirement population, poverty in working age families has increased, and in the end it is a wash with no net change in the national poverty rate.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    The development of the machine would be quite expensive, but it will save on employee hours, training, managing, appearance, uniforms. It works 24 hours a day. Doesn't take breaks and rarely calls in sick (bugs, hardware, whatever). And once the machine is made, it would be very economical to manufacture them and get them to the stores.
    They are already developed. That investment has been made. And it brings many jobs with it.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Also, I am going to rescue your abandoned graphic to make my point:

    poverty_age.png

    Note that the only decline in the poverty rate in that 40 year span has been in the retirement population, poverty in working age families has increased, and in the end it is a wash with no net change in the national poverty rate.
    are you looking at the same graph I am?

    It shows senior poverty dropping by more than 2/3 and child poverty dropping approx 20%

    It also shows child poverty increasing the most when Reagan and bush* were President
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    They are already developed. That investment has been made. And it brings many jobs with it.
    I am not arguing with that. I was responding to the other person's point about development and what the cost vs savings would be. Not sure how many of the jobs created would be entry level jobs, but I honestly haven't thought about that.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I am not arguing with that. I was responding to the other person's point about development and what the cost vs savings would be. Not sure how many of the jobs created would be entry level jobs, but I honestly haven't thought about that.
    Look at it this way: there will still be people in the back preparing the food, cleaning, etc. They can move up into a maintenance type role like they can move into manager. And then perhaps pursue more in the technology skills.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Soooooo....if McDonald's can save money, lower food prices and increase sales by replacing humans with robots/automation; you seriously think they won't do it?

    And you honestly think the amount they are forced by the government to pay their workers has 'nothing to do with' automation?

    Obviously you have no clue how a business actually works...noted.


    Good day.
    Soooo.... why are they just implementing this when they could have done it already? Why haven't they implemented this in other countries that have far higher minimum wages than the US?

    Seems you don't really know what you are talking about... noted.

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