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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    They are already plenty fast. I went through a McD's drive through tonight and I had the food very fast.

    What McD's needs - imo - is cheaper products. That is their edge.

    So, every way that they can cut costs without hurting their service/product should be explored.


    And as for personalized service? Who goes to McDonald's for the service (I am speaking in general her - not specifically towards you)? Virtually no one. They go for cheap, fast, passable food that tastes reasonably good. If their Big Mac is 25 cents cheaper because it is served by a robot - I guarantee you most people would take it over two bits more for the same burger from a human (assuming it is served as fast and tastes the same either way).
    My question is how many hours pay will it take to pay for one robot, or machine to take that persons place?

    This is like somebody paying an extra $10,000 for a hybrid car over a gas model to get better gas milage. That $10,000 can buy a lot of gasoline

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Buulsheet. If I had a dollar for everytime I've been told to park and they will bring my order. Sounds like you went during nonpeak time. Go when it's busy and it's a different story.
    Don't give McD special orders through the drive through. They can't handle it.

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Please. First off there will ways be a way to accept cash at automated counters. Secondly, that's how things are going. Technology replaces replaceable jobs in a sophisticated society.
    There will always have to ba a way to get the order done without the technology.

    If somebody doesn't have the item or left it in the car or for whatever reason, there will have to be a way.

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Yeah well,once in a while a burger isn't going to kill you. I think it's funny that so many people get all high and mighty about businesses they have moral issues with (like fast food places, Walmart, etc.) and yet these places still get huge market share. Deer season just started here and the wild hogs will be moving soon. We have our preferred local food, but McDonalds is not going out of business any time soon.
    Won't kill me but it goes through me like grass through a goose. If I go to town and need to eat on the run I'll go to Subway or Quizno's but those grease-burgers and fries, well, they may not feed me but they sure clean out my system. One a year, just for a reminder...
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    I was shocked when here in Mexico the shakes were removed from McDonlad's menu.

    McDonald's started with a burger, fires and a shake, now it is not available.

    Now I want one every time I go, but I can't have it.

    They still serve the ice cream and the machine is there, but it is not connected to anything.

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, sorry, you are kidding yourself is you think doubling the cost of labor will only move it up "a small amount". It removes all incentive to keep flesh and blood employees. It only changes"a small amount" is there was only a small amount of incentive to keep a human staff. If that were the case then there is no real good argument in favor of keeping human staff.
    First of all, I don't support a doubling of the minimum wage, but some do, and it would be appropriate in some very high cost locales, but not in my region. $15 an hour is higher than the median wage in many Tennessee counties. And whether I support it or not, it's not going to happen. Maybe to $10, which is what it was roughly 50 years ago.

    But we're both guessing on the impact. You like your guess, I like mine.

    Every federal plan created in the lat 40 years with the goal of reducing poverty. We have higher poverty now than we did in the 1970s.
    OK, and poverty would have been lower without the anti-poverty programs? SS should go away? How about Medicare? Or just welfare and food stamps? Medicaid?

    And you want to give them more minimum wage jobs....
    Of course that is what I said. Can you quote me? Thanks...

    No, JasperL, you just seem incapable of avoiding your own biased inference to my position on a subject I hadn't discussed. I have still not stated my position on Federal welfare programs, only on what we owe an unskilled worker with regard to employment, the topic we are discussing.
    OK, like I said, you have to read your posts for the weasel words.

    You were bemoaning the plight of the poor unskilled worker who might lose their job to automation, I asked what you think we owe that person... you then launch into a idiotic tangent on welfare and try to state my position on it. Go fly a kite.
    Welfare and social services are an "idiotic tangent" in a discussion of poor unskilled workers? And I don't know which thread you're following, but the "idiotic tangent" of social services etc. has been a key part of this discussion.

    Nope. I am making statements that are patently obvious. An increase in demand for automated tellers will drive a jobs growth in people who work on the building, marketing and delivery of automated teller systems. You, once again, inferred that my argument was that there would be full replacement, and argument I never made. I am just making the point that you are anti-progress in your protectionism, fearful of letting go of unskilled labor because you don't have sufficient vision of the way forward. In other words, you're defending stagnation.
    I didn't infer anything. The point is if McD lays off 100,000 and 500 new robot manufacturing and distribution jobs emerge, that's quite a different story than if 40,000 robot making jobs emerge. I was just trying to get some idea of what kind of replacement levels you anticipated.

    And the reason why my "vision of the way forward" is impaired is we have been hearing the conservatives cheer progress as you call it, free trade, modernization, etc. and the results are in and wages at the bottom are declining, flat in the middle for decades, we've offshored production jobs so in this reality those jobs making robots will be in China where workers make $2 an hour and there are no pesky environmental rules, few new jobs are created here, and worker productivity is up with all the automation, but wages for everyone but the very top are stagnant or declining. So the empty rhetoric doesn't convince me anymore - facts aren't consistent with it.

    And I'm not fearful of letting go of unskilled labor so much as recognizing it will happen. And the "idiotic tangent" was what to do when that happens? Maybe you support expanding EITC, and support Medicaid expansion and ACA subsidies, and other ways to subsidize the wages at the bottom. Or maybe you agree with the other person who says "Screw em." I don't know, you won't say - you're considering the other side of the coin as an idiotic tangent.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    My question is how many hours pay will it take to pay for one robot, or machine to take that persons place?

    This is like somebody paying an extra $10,000 for a hybrid car over a gas model to get better gas milage. That $10,000 can buy a lot of gasoline
    The development of the machine would be quite expensive, but it will save on employee hours, training, managing, appearance, uniforms. It works 24 hours a day. Doesn't take breaks and rarely calls in sick (bugs, hardware, whatever). And once the machine is made, it would be very economical to manufacture them and get them to the stores.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    ordering burgers/food from a machine
    that is supposed to be significant?
    i am the last luddite, and even i order pizza online
    no human interaction until i show up and pay (cash not debit; luddite, remember!)
    and received the hand crafted, hand delivered pie in a box

    c'mon people. business is always looking for ways to make their processes cheaper and better. at least the successful ones
    machines don't call in sick, come in late, have interpersonal drama issues on the job site, need breaks or vacations or sleep. why would you not use them instead of human labor if you could do so at a lower cost without reducing the quality of the goods/services being sold
    low skill requirements are often the easiest to convert to machine manipulated tasks. which is why we need to emphasize programs to train/re-train our nation's work force, starting with those having modest skills
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    There will always have to ba a way to get the order done without the technology.

    If somebody doesn't have the item or left it in the car or for whatever reason, there will have to be a way.
    There would be humans there, though automation of the counters is likely just going to happen. Many places have fully automated counters and it works just fine.
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