Archery season opened here on the first, rifles on the 10th. We're so over-run with deer you can take three, two does. No wild hogs, though.
He who knows the least obeys the best.
I was shocked when here in Mexico the shakes were removed from McDonlad's menu.
McDonald's started with a burger, fires and a shake, now it is not available.
Now I want one every time I go, but I can't have it.
They still serve the ice cream and the machine is there, but it is not connected to anything.
But we're both guessing on the impact. You like your guess, I like mine.
OK, and poverty would have been lower without the anti-poverty programs? SS should go away? How about Medicare? Or just welfare and food stamps? Medicaid?Every federal plan created in the lat 40 years with the goal of reducing poverty. We have higher poverty now than we did in the 1970s.
Of course that is what I said. Can you quote me? Thanks...And you want to give them more minimum wage jobs....
OK, like I said, you have to read your posts for the weasel words.No, JasperL, you just seem incapable of avoiding your own biased inference to my position on a subject I hadn't discussed. I have still not stated my position on Federal welfare programs, only on what we owe an unskilled worker with regard to employment, the topic we are discussing.
Welfare and social services are an "idiotic tangent" in a discussion of poor unskilled workers? And I don't know which thread you're following, but the "idiotic tangent" of social services etc. has been a key part of this discussion.You were bemoaning the plight of the poor unskilled worker who might lose their job to automation, I asked what you think we owe that person... you then launch into a idiotic tangent on welfare and try to state my position on it. Go fly a kite.
I didn't infer anything. The point is if McD lays off 100,000 and 500 new robot manufacturing and distribution jobs emerge, that's quite a different story than if 40,000 robot making jobs emerge. I was just trying to get some idea of what kind of replacement levels you anticipated.Nope. I am making statements that are patently obvious. An increase in demand for automated tellers will drive a jobs growth in people who work on the building, marketing and delivery of automated teller systems. You, once again, inferred that my argument was that there would be full replacement, and argument I never made. I am just making the point that you are anti-progress in your protectionism, fearful of letting go of unskilled labor because you don't have sufficient vision of the way forward. In other words, you're defending stagnation.
And the reason why my "vision of the way forward" is impaired is we have been hearing the conservatives cheer progress as you call it, free trade, modernization, etc. and the results are in and wages at the bottom are declining, flat in the middle for decades, we've offshored production jobs so in this reality those jobs making robots will be in China where workers make $2 an hour and there are no pesky environmental rules, few new jobs are created here, and worker productivity is up with all the automation, but wages for everyone but the very top are stagnant or declining. So the empty rhetoric doesn't convince me anymore - facts aren't consistent with it.
And I'm not fearful of letting go of unskilled labor so much as recognizing it will happen. And the "idiotic tangent" was what to do when that happens? Maybe you support expanding EITC, and support Medicaid expansion and ACA subsidies, and other ways to subsidize the wages at the bottom. Or maybe you agree with the other person who says "Screw em." I don't know, you won't say - you're considering the other side of the coin as an idiotic tangent.
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"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the ******* irony in that." - Justin Halpern
ordering burgers/food from a machine
that is supposed to be significant?
i am the last luddite, and even i order pizza online
no human interaction until i show up and pay (cash not debit; luddite, remember!)
and received the hand crafted, hand delivered pie in a box
c'mon people. business is always looking for ways to make their processes cheaper and better. at least the successful ones
machines don't call in sick, come in late, have interpersonal drama issues on the job site, need breaks or vacations or sleep. why would you not use them instead of human labor if you could do so at a lower cost without reducing the quality of the goods/services being sold
low skill requirements are often the easiest to convert to machine manipulated tasks. which is why we need to emphasize programs to train/re-train our nation's work force, starting with those having modest skills
You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo
Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville