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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'If you’ve ever felt guilty ordering at McDonald’s, the fast-food mega-chain has just the fix: You can now order your own quarter-pound bacon cheeseburger from a welcoming, non-judging machine.

    Battling the worst sales slump in a decade and competition from build-your-own upstarts like Chipotle and Smashburger, McDonald’s is expanding a test concept built around ordering via tablet. Just tap on a screen and watch as your burger’s toppings (and calories) pile on, then wait for an employee to bring it over. No human interaction necessary.

    McDonald’s move towards dehumanization, launched as a pilot last winter and expanded across San Diego last week, is part of a larger trend of chain eateries turning tablets into your full-time restaurant buddy: equal parts menu, server and paycheck. Applebee’s, Panera Bread and even airport bars have installed tablets to allow diners to order food or booze without a wait.'


    McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a machine - The Washington Post


    This is what happens when - among other reasons - you start demanding higher pay then your position is worth (like fast food workers demanding $15/hr.).

    If these fast food workers force Congress to adopt a $15/hr. minimum wage? I guarantee you that the above will be the result...automation and mass layoffs.

    It ain't rocket science people - you are VERY replaceable.
    This has nothing to do with the minimum wage whatsoever. Also I know that McDonald's can afford to pay its workers $15/hr because they do that in other countries around the world.

    "Even in countries with a high minimum wage, the golden arches manage to turn a profit. Here's how." (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/08/the-magical-world-where-mcdonalds-pays-15-an-hour-its-australia/278313/)

    Will McDonald's charge higher prices if the minimum wage goes up? Yes, but either way we are going to pay. It's either going to be through increased McDonalds prices or it is going to be through the government in the form of paying for increased social services to poor workers.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Sooooo... it is your argument that the accelerated loss of unskilled labor after a minimum wage increase will be small because unskilled labor is already doomed? You don't think doubling the cost of unskilled labor will prompt more businesses to start going the automation route, and tip the scales on McDonald's decision on their automation trials?
    Right, it will tip the scales and move up the automation by a small amount. There is already a huge incentive to automate. Machines are easier than low skill, 200-300% turnover labor, even if the cost was neutral. Maybe I'm wrong, but we're both guessing here, and I don't think the choice is "decent wage or NO wage" as you imply. It's a good way to keep wages low until the automation, which is inevitable, happens IMO. But I'm a cynic, what can I say.

    The government doesn't build planes and Medicare and SS are doomed... so good job in your examples there, chief!
    Well, provide your own, cherry picked ones then.

    I'm betting you haven't looked.
    Yeah, there are all those good jobs that aren't filled, which is why the unemployment rate is so high, and so many people accept jobs at minimum wage, because there are all these robot making jobs. Give me a break. We've had a few plants open up in Tennessee in the last few years. There are thousands of applications for what are just decent production jobs. People are desperate for decent work.

    I asked you what you think we owe them, I never stated my opinion on it. And my response was to your point that automation would kill unskilled jobs when there are no other jobs. Do you think the government owes them a job that sinks to their level? Do you think anyone owes them that? What you propose would kill SKILLED jobs to protect unskilled jobs. In other words, it is societal poison.
    I forget how you debate. You said, " If there is a job for Government it is to promote the modernization of the work force." That's clear enough - promote modernization and nothing else. Except now you say provide social services, I guess, but who the hell knows. I think I'll not go down a rathole on this topic, having to parse every statement for the weasel words.

    If McDonald's were to automate their cashier system nationwide there would be a billion dollar industry formed over night to supply McDonald's demands and and well paying career jobs to replace the unskilled jobs being lost. You see this as a bad thing, I see this as progress.
    OK, so if they replace 100,000 cashiers, how many U.S. jobs emerge to build and maintain the kiosks or whatever? You're making a statement like you've run the numbers. What do they show?

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    This has nothing to do with the minimum wage whatsoever. Also I know that McDonald's can afford to pay its workers $15/hr because they do that in other countries around the world.

    "Even in countries with a high minimum wage, the golden arches manage to turn a profit. Here's how." (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/08/the-magical-world-where-mcdonalds-pays-15-an-hour-its-australia/278313/)

    Will McDonald's charge higher prices if the minimum wage goes up? Yes, but either way we are going to pay. It's either going to be through increased McDonalds prices or it is going to be through the government in the form of paying for increased social services to poor workers.
    Soooooo....if McDonald's can save money, lower food prices and increase sales by replacing humans with robots/automation; you seriously think they won't do it?

    And you honestly think the amount they are forced by the government to pay their workers has 'nothing to do with' automation?

    Obviously you have no clue how a business actually works...noted.


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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, that would be left-wing utopia. Right wing utopia would be not having the government involved at all and people making what they were actually worth.
    But you've already expressed your opinion if their worth doesn't pay the bills - "Screw em."

    There's a talk show host who's always pointing out that when conservatives watch "A Christmas Carol" they see a kindred spirit in Mr. Scrooge:

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    "Those who are badly off must go there."
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    "If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But you've already expressed your opinion if their worth doesn't pay the bills - "Screw em."
    Aren't you the one who keeps saying there's nothing more to say, yet keeps responding?
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Great. They always screw up my order. I don't even think its that complicated. Mchicken w/ pickles, quarter pounder onions and no mayo.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Great. They always screw up my order. I don't even think its that complicated. Mchicken w/ pickles, quarter pounder onions and no mayo.
    I don't even order anything special, they can't manage to put the stuff I do order in the bag half the time. If getting rid of idiots and putting in machines will increase accuracy, I'm all for it.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Aren't you the one who keeps saying there's nothing more to say, yet keeps responding?
    OK, I lied. You can file a complaint with the moderators if you like.

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, that would be left-wing utopia. Right wing utopia would be not having the government involved at all and people making what they were actually worth.
    Right wing utopia would be businesses paying a buck an hour, not having the Government subsidizing a nickel to the employee but business owners themselves collecting those Government dollars.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Right, it will tip the scales and move up the automation by a small amount. There is already a huge incentive to automate. Machines are easier than low skill, 200-300% turnover labor, even if the cost was neutral. Maybe I'm wrong, but we're both guessing here, and I don't think the choice is "decent wage or NO wage" as you imply. It's a good way to keep wages low until the automation, which is inevitable, happens IMO. But I'm a cynic, what can I say.
    No, sorry, you are kidding yourself is you think doubling the cost of labor will only move it up "a small amount". It removes all incentive to keep flesh and blood employees. It only changes"a small amount" is there was only a small amount of incentive to keep a human staff. If that were the case then there is no real good argument in favor of keeping human staff.


    Well, provide your own, cherry picked ones then.
    Every federal plan created in the lat 40 years with the goal of reducing poverty. We have higher poverty now than we did in the 1970s.

    Yeah, there are all those good jobs that aren't filled, which is why the unemployment rate is so high, and so many people accept jobs at minimum wage, because there are all these robot making jobs. Give me a break. We've had a few plants open up in Tennessee in the last few years. There are thousands of applications for what are just decent production jobs. People are desperate for decent work.
    And you want to give them more minimum wage jobs....



    I forget how you debate. You said, " If there is a job for Government it is to promote the modernization of the work force." That's clear enough - promote modernization and nothing else. Except now you say provide social services, I guess, but who the hell knows. I think I'll not go down a rathole on this topic, having to parse every statement for the weasel words.
    No, JasperL, you just seem incapable of avoiding your own biased inference to my position on a subject I hadn't discussed. I have still not stated my position on Federal welfare programs, only on what we owe an unskilled worker with regard to employment, the topic we are discussing.

    You were bemoaning the plight of the poor unskilled worker who might lose their job to automation, I asked what you think we owe that person... you then launch into a idiotic tangent on welfare and try to state my position on it. Go fly a kite.

    OK, so if they replace 100,000 cashiers, how many U.S. jobs emerge to build and maintain the kiosks or whatever? You're making a statement like you've run the numbers. What do they show?
    Nope. I am making statements that are patently obvious. An increase in demand for automated tellers will drive a jobs growth in people who work on the building, marketing and delivery of automated teller systems. You, once again, inferred that my argument was that there would be full replacement, and argument I never made. I am just making the point that you are anti-progress in your protectionism, fearful of letting go of unskilled labor because you don't have sufficient vision of the way forward. In other words, you're defending stagnation.
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