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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Like I said earlier, the 'acceleration' will be IMO small.
    The largest employer of unskilled workers in the country is already testing automated cashiers in CA so the cost barrier is likely crossed even without a $15 minimum wage.


    "Promote the modernization..." Sounds good, but means little.
    So it's not really any different than most government projects.

    You going to teach a person with an IQ of 80 to fix robots?
    No, that IQ range is capable of robot assembly and packaging which, as an actual marketable skill, pays more than minimum wage already.

    And if a person with few skills doesn't catch on, they get to beg, their children go without healthcare, die early of treatable illness or disease, etc.?
    "Doesn't catch on"? What does that mean? And nice straw man you built there ... apparently arguing that unskilled labor will be replaced by automation is an endorsement of the abolition of all social services!

    That's what I expected. No attempt to actually have an honest discussion.
    Were you expecting me to respond to your straw man arguments before you actually posted them?
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Thanks for the mouthwatering pics but USDA prime beef is extremely expensive and imported in frozen where I am so it aint practical to do what you are suggesting. When I do buy USDA prime I pretty much cook it as a steak.
    You don't need USDA prime beef to make a hamburger. The "Prime" designation has nothing to do with taste. It's merely a description of qualities that boil down to one thing - how much "marbling" (intramuscular fat) there is. Since you're going to grind it up anyway, it doesn't matter if the fat is marbled or not. You can get choice or even "select". As long as you have enough fat in there, it won't make a difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    That's what I do - I just don't ground the steak. I actually cut up a nice skirt steak and mix it with my ground beef... It makes for a really tasty burger. I also throw bread crumbs and Worcestershire sauce into the ground beef and steak mix - make my patty's and throw them on the grill. Everyone loves them because they're "chewy" because of the steak, so it's like getting the best of both worlds - a burger and a steak. haha
    The secret to a great burger is to minimize the handling of the meat once it's been ground. Mixing stuff into the ground meat requires a too much handling. You'd be better off sprinkling some Worcestershire over the meat, leave out the bread crumbs, and just form the patties using the least amount of pressure and handling possible. To get the steak "chunks" in it, just swap a coarser grinding disk in and out.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The largest employer of unskilled workers in the country is already testing automated cashiers in CA so the cost barrier is likely crossed even without a $15 minimum wage.
    Exactly my point. And that equipment will get even cheaper.

    So it's not really any different than most government projects.
    Which ones? Building planes, Medicare, SS?

    No, that IQ range is capable of robot assembly and packaging which, as an actual marketable skill, pays more than minimum wage already.
    They might be, but there aren't any jobs assembling and packaging robots.

    "Doesn't catch on"? What does that mean? And nice straw man you built there ... apparently arguing that unskilled labor will be replaced by automation is an endorsement of the abolition of all social services!
    Sheesh, I asked this: "But beyond that, is there any role for government or society?"

    You responded: " If there is a job for Government it is to promote the modernization of the work force. If people refuse to make use of the ample services already provided to help them gain a marketable skill then what more does society owe them?"

    So now you're saying we ALSO owe them social services beyond "promoting the modernization of the work force?" So you wouldn't let poor children die of preventable disease if their mothers 'refused to...gain a marketable skill'? You're contradicting yourself.

    Were you expecting me to respond to your straw man arguments before you actually posted them?
    No, I was expecting what I got, which wasn't much except a long trip avoiding an honest discussion.

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Exactly my point. And that equipment will get even cheaper.
    Sooooo... it is your argument that the accelerated loss of unskilled labor after a minimum wage increase will be small because unskilled labor is already doomed? You don't think doubling the cost of unskilled labor will prompt more businesses to start going the automation route, and tip the scales on McDonald's decision on their automation trials?

    Which ones? Building planes, Medicare, SS?
    The government doesn't build planes and Medicare and SS are doomed... so good job in your examples there, chief!

    They might be, but there aren't any jobs assembling and packaging robots.
    I'm betting you haven't looked.

    Sheesh, I asked this: "But beyond that, is there any role for government or society?"

    You responded: " If there is a job for Government it is to promote the modernization of the work force. If people refuse to make use of the ample services already provided to help them gain a marketable skill then what more does society owe them?"

    So now you're saying we ALSO owe them social services beyond "promoting the modernization of the work force?" So you wouldn't let poor children die of preventable disease if their mothers 'refused to...gain a marketable skill'? You're contradicting yourself.
    I asked you what you think we owe them, I never stated my opinion on it. And my response was to your point that automation would kill unskilled jobs when there are no other jobs. Do you think the government owes them a job that sinks to their level? Do you think anyone owes them that? What you propose would kill SKILLED jobs to protect unskilled jobs. In other words, it is societal poison.

    If McDonald's were to automate their cashier system nationwide there would be a billion dollar industry formed over night to supply McDonald's demands and and well paying career jobs to replace the unskilled jobs being lost. You see this as a bad thing, I see this as progress.

    No, I was expecting what I got, which wasn't much except a long trip avoiding an honest discussion.
    You are the one building straw men.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I'm confused; what does ordering a burger on tablet have to do with minimum wage? This seems a bit of a stretch...
    If you are force to raise your operating costs, then you look for places to cut costs to offset the increase. This is a logical place to start. At least they haven't invested automated burger cooker/assemblers yet (raise the MW to $15 and you will see them though).
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    The US had something like this in the 1930's.... no person taking your order or handling money.... it was called an automat.



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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    If you are force to raise your operating costs, then you look for places to cut costs to offset the increase. This is a logical place to start. At least they haven't invested automated burger cooker/assemblers yet (raise the MW to $15 and you will see them though).
    When I heard about this idea, I imagined something that White Castles already does and that is ordering up the burger (from home) and coming and getting it.

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    When I heard about this idea, I imagined something that White Castles already does and that is ordering up the burger (from home) and coming and getting it.
    My understanding is that this would more of a kiosk style, not a smart phone app (although you can bet that would be next or even first) or website. I could see McDs ending up with a bunch of kiosks that hold automated cookers, assemblers and baggers that only require one person to maintain (keeping supplies stocked and trouble-shooting). That one person would probably end up being a part time employee so that they would have 24/7 coverage in 4 hour shifts (avoiding having to deal with covering lunches/breaks). So instead of having 10 part time and 3 full time employees, you end up with 4-6 part time employees.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Right-Wing utopia is where everyone makes a buck an hour and Uncle Sam picks up tab for what employers don't pay, but bitch about Uncle Sam picking up the tab.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Right-Wing utopia is where everyone makes a buck an hour and Uncle Sam picks up tab for what employers don't pay, but bitch about Uncle Sam picking up the tab.
    No, that would be left-wing utopia. Right wing utopia would be not having the government involved at all and people making what they were actually worth.
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