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    Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    That makes sense, except for the anti-corporatism bit that I think you made up because you may hate anyone with more money than you. I kid, but seriously, what is that support to be? You're against corporations?
    Corporatism is an economic system in which large corporations wield great amounts of political influence and lobby governments for state protections. Anti-corporatism would be the support of ending such a system by stopping the bailouts, ending subsidies to big business, ending (or at least reforming) incorporation, fixing the patent system, setting up campaign funding restrictions, etc.

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    Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Corporatism is an economic system in which large corporations wield great amounts of political influence and lobby governments for state protections. Anti-corporatism would be the support of ending such a system by stopping the bailouts, ending subsidies to big business, ending (or at least reforming) incorporation, fixing the patent system, setting up campaign funding restrictions, etc.
    Oh I've always called that Corporate Welfare, and in that case I'm opposed to it as well. Except the Campaign Funding deal, mainly because I feel like they should have as much say any other organization out there. Besides, if they didn't do it as a corporation, they'd just do it as individuals, so you'd still have the same issue (at least in this case it's out in the open.) Only time a politician ever has a back bone is when he's not up for re-election anyways.

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    Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Oh I've always called that Corporate Welfare, and in that case I'm opposed to it as well. Except the Campaign Funding deal, mainly because I feel like they should have as much say any other organization out there. Besides, if they didn't do it as a corporation, they'd just do it as individuals, so you'd still have the same issue (at least in this case it's out in the open.) Only time a politician ever has a back bone is when he's not up for re-election anyways.
    Yeah, I agree that it won't completely eliminate the problem but I think it's a good start at least. There are other steps we can (and should IMO) take beyond that.

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    Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

    You haven't heard the end of the campaign manager for McConnell who had to resign.
    The one who said in front of McConnell that he was holding his nose supporting MITCH, as he is a Ron/'Rand Paul guy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    He said Ron Paul, and I doubt it in any event. Rand Paul is just enough of a conservative that they'll let him slide. That and he's been very supporting of Mitch so I think he's with them at this point.
    He's connected to a man who has pleaded guilty in Iowa to giving a $25,000 bribe
    to a Bachmann supporter to change his support to Ron Paul in late 2011.

    And the guy has been a part of Rand Paul's campaigns all along.
    As I've said, for a guy who lives in a glass house, he's a first-class fool.

    I say he doesn't survive running for the Senate in 2016 .
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    Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You haven't heard the end of the campaign manager for McConnell who had to resign.
    The one who said in front of McConnell that he was holding his nose supporting MITCH, as he is a Ron/'Rand Paul guy.


    He's connected to a man who has pleaded guilty in Iowa to giving a $25,000 bribe
    to a Bachmann supporter to change his support to Ron Paul in late 2011.

    And the guy has been a part of Rand Paul's campaigns all along.
    As I've said, for a guy who lives in a glass house, he's a first-class fool.

    I say he doesn't survive running for the Senate in 2016 .
    I would be very shocked if Mitch and "establishment" Republicans ran hard against Rand in 2016, with how much he has supported Mitch this go around. Yes there are a lot that dislike him in the Republican party, especially considering his stance on terrorism and military actions (i.e. the neo-cons). But say what you will for politicians, they are very quid pro quo. I.e. you do for me, and I'll do for you. Then again, 2016 is a long time away, any number of things could happened between here and there.

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    Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

    I'll be surprised if all of Bevin's people support Mitch, let alone the turncoat back-stabber Rand.
    He turned his back on his own people to Let's Make A Deal with McFilibuster . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I would be very shocked if Mitch and "establishment" Republicans ran hard against Rand in 2016, with how much he has supported Mitch this go around. Yes there are a lot that dislike him in the Republican party, especially considering his stance on terrorism and military actions (i.e. the neo-cons). But say what you will for politicians, they are very quid pro quo. I.e. you do for me, and I'll do for you. Then again, 2016 is a long time away, any number of things could happened between here and there.
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    Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I'll be surprised if all of Bevin's people support Mitch, let alone the turncoat back-stabber Rand.
    He turned his back on his own people to Let's Make A Deal with McFilibuster . .
    The will, because ultimately (for them and I'll probably be in that camp) it's better to have a Republican in the Senate, and maybe Republicans in control of congress, then two more years of the last two years...

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    Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Many seem to think, as we see (saw?) with Obama, that presidential campaign promises will somehow become reality in federal policy. Obama ran opposing Bush federal income tax rate policy and Bush's "unpatriotic" levels of federal deficit spending but governed (and won re-election) by keeping 98.6% of Bush federal income tax rate policy and increasing the level of federal deficit spending. Most (all but about $60 billion annually) of the federal income tax revenue increases under Obama came from a slow economic recovery and, even with 2014 federal income tax revenue at a record high level, Obama still has the annual federal deficit higher than any year under Bush. No he can't.

    But Obama is the poster boy of the progressive movement! A liberal!

    NOT

    I've said for six years the guy is a progressive opportunist
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    Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

    Exactly--because over two years of all-time records for filibusters is much less preferable than
    McConnell's promises to the Koch conferences to shut down the gubmit.

    How'd you like that new Grimes ad showing McMitch how to hold a gun?

    And, Mitch is being kept busy with his own race and stuck in KY, wasting millions he could be using for another state's candidate,
    like Pat Roberts who may be in more trouble than any incumbent, D or R >
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    The will, because ultimately (for them and I'll probably be in that camp) it's better to have a Republican in the Senate, and maybe Republicans in control of congress, then two more years of the last two years...
    And Mitch gets away with shamelessly using his own wife while whining about any criticism of her.
    See any double standard there--as with criticisms of Obama's wife or old man Lundergan ?
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    Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

    A fitting payback for Obama would not only be for his wife to run for the Senate in 2016, all but a done deal,
    but to become only the 2nd President to ever get elected to congress after being the POTUS >
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