you don't believe people believed in freedom before there was a word for it, or a philosophy to explain it?
in any event, your ignorance isn't something you should keep defending.... acknowledge facts and move on.
the Koch bros. did not found the Libertarian party or american libertarianism... that is just a plain ol' fact... acknowledge it and move on.
I said they made up libertarianism... Really i should have said helped but its still true. They greatly helped to make it up would have been more accurate.
One of The main forefathers to modern libertarianism is the john Birch's society. A founding member is Fred koch. The Koch's helped make up modern libertarianism for sure. without them, and their father, it wouldint be what it is today, and its likely no one would have ever heard of it, its highly possible it would have never existed. They especially helped in funding Ron Paul, and made him in charge of their old PAC citizens for a sound economy. They spread libertarian ideals greatly. They certainly contributed greatly to modern libertarianism and the teabagger movement looks at Ron as its godfather.
Forgive me if I don't attribute the founding of libertarianism to a bunch of slave owners that certainly did not believe in liberty. Furthermore we are talking about a specific political philosophy, not just "freedom" or "liberty" so to say it existed before the word existed is lunacy.
The libertarian party and teabaggers will always be tied to the Jon birch society and Koch's. That's just a fact. Whether you want to admit it or not is a whole different story.
stop insulting our intelligence....every single one of us knows better.
...they are not so different....whether you allow yourself to understand that or not is irrelevant.
You mean they are so different? Cuz you said the tea party and libertarianism are not so different... Which is true, but I doubt that's what you meant.
citizens for a sound economy (the PAC ron Paul headed) turned into freedom works and Americans for prosperity. The two PACs that are for or teabaggers.
Are you saying the tea party never called themselves teabaggers? Because you would be wrong again.
http://aattp.org/the-tea-party-actually-did-call-themselves-teabagger/
Are we talking about the Fox News definition of "libertarian" or like, you know, the actual one? Making the claim that the corporatist protections the Koch Bros lobby for is indicative of even right-wing libertarianism is just plain silly. Making the claim that the entirety of the libertarian philosophy, left and right, was "made up" by two old white dudes that almost single-handedly fund a party antithetical to basically everything libertarian is...well really ****ing ignorant.
That's actually true that's the one place the koch ideology differs from libertarianism is corporate protections. All other points though are right in line with it. One of them even ran on the libertarian ticket in 1980.
They did greatly help to popularize and spread it, and even helped shape allot of the modern libertarian ideology. Without he Jon birchs society libertarianism probably would have never existed. Fred koch was a founder and major contributor to that society.
true that....
as an additional off topic observation.... there was a time when Bernie could have been accurately described as Libertarian.
the early 1800s or late 1790s, for example.
today, he's just another huge government Democrat ( yes, i know he's technically an independent... but he about as independent as Hillary or Obama )
Again Hilariously ignorant. The only form of libertarianism Bernie would fall into is socialist libertarian, and even still you fall way short because he believes in things like universal healthcare, government regulations (especially for financial institutions) and environmental protections. You just argued a socialist is a libertarian. Do you even know what libertarian or socialist means?? (23% of self described libertarians don't know what the word means so this would not surprise me)And I'm ignorant!?!?!?!? :Snarf:
