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Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

NIMBY said:
Which is why GOPs are promoting anyone but Clinton.
Exactly why I'm promoting Cruz .


She was 3rd in Iowa in 2008.
she's up by 59 points right now .
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I was just having a conversation with my housemate. A lot of that has to be because Hillary Clinton is a name people haveheard before.
 
reinoe said:
I was just having a conversation with my housemate. A lot of that has to be because Hillary Clinton is a name people haveheard before.
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Yeah, and remember that, as I recall back in 06, Obama was like 6th or 8th in polling? Shows how much these polls can be trusted...
 
Hard Truth said:
The fact is that we have minimum wage and other labor laws to limit the power of the marketplace and for many good reasons.
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I agree with that. It's just that some people don't consider the consequences of their actions. The market is like water, you can't just make it go away, if you restrain it in one place, it'll force it's way somewhere else. Raise the MW too high, jobs get cut that aren't worth that much money.

You're right that the consuming public shares this responsibility. I never shop at Walmart and avoid Chinese made goods. We can all do more by buying less, buying local, buying union made and avoiding buying from the worst exploiters.
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I shop at whoever gives me the most for my money, which many times is Walmart, sometimes not. Unions artificially raise prices, so just shopping for the best price helps filter those goods out.
 
poweRob said:
nahh... he's for a very well regulated capitalism. Not overtaking industry. Like putting glass/steagal back into place for the banks.
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Which is precisely the kind of thing that allowed capitalism to be beneficial all the way down, real trickle down, and the creation of a strong middle class. Deregulation that started in earnest under Reagan has created a reversal of that, and given rise to crony capitalism.
 
tres borrachos said:
He has said he's for raising taxes, and he refuses to say by how much and on whom.
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speculate. share with us whose taxes you think he would want to raise
 
justabubba said:
speculate. share with us whose taxes you think he would want to raise
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I don't speculate on what politicians say, justa. Only they know what's in their minds. Some day he will have to articulate his plan for raising taxes.
 
APACHERAT said:
Could be that I carry my wallet in my left rear pocket and it's a little thin because all of the taxes I have to pay in California so it's causing me to lean to the left when I'm sitting.
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You are a race baiter because you all the he sudden think you are on the left... Why did I even think you might once make sense. Also... Instead of playing a whiny victim why don't you take charge of your life and move if you don't like where you are at so much? You know... Personal responsibility and all. Nevermind ... Perhaps you don't know.
 
Anthony60 said:
Yes, that's old news, and also irrelevant to what I posted about.



You are trying to make it sound like they are both doing the same thing, which is misleading and untrue. Nobody has ever spent like Obama, and Reagan was the only President to effectively cut government discretionary spending. Since Reagan though, spending has been insane. But Obama is just off the charts. But go ahead and post some misleading information on what a miser Obama is.
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[emphasis added by bubba]
graph obama big spender.jpg
 
poweRob said:
You are a race baiter because you all the he sudden think you are on the left... Why did I even think you might once make sense.
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That's irony. Could you restate that so it makes sense?
poweRob said:
Also... Instead of playing a whiny victim why don't you take charge of your life and move if you don't like where you are at so much? You know... Personal responsibility and all. Nevermind ... Perhaps you don't know.
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This thread is not about the posters... do you have anything coherent and on topic to say that isn't flaming other posters?
 
Anthony60 said:
Doesn't get any more misleading than that. Just because he consistently racked up over a $$$ Trillion debt right out of the box instead of working his way up to over a $$$ Trillion deficit a year is nothing to boast about, it's worse.
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share with us what you find misleading. point out any inaccuracy
 
Dittohead not! said:
That sounds to me like a good argument for term limits or for redistricting.

Maybe for both.
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I advocate eliminating most of the privileges given with seniority in legislative bodies.
 
Hard Truth said:
I advocate eliminating most of the privileges given with seniority in legislative bodies.
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Exactly. A term or two in Congress should be seen as a limited time of public service, and not as a lucrative career as it is now. Money has corrupted our political system just as surely as it did that of the Romans before us, and the same result is likely.
 
Anthony60 said:
I agree with that. It's just that some people don't consider the consequences of their actions. The market is like water, you can't just make it go away, if you restrain it in one place, it'll force it's way somewhere else. Raise the MW too high, jobs get cut that aren't worth that much money.

I shop at whoever gives me the most for my money, which many times is Walmart, sometimes not. Unions artificially raise prices, so just shopping for the best price helps filter those goods out.
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That's obviously a rational choice. What I don't understand is why as a country we have an industrial non-policy that encourages Walmart to buy from offshored producers. Let's face it, when you buy something made overseas, the effect on the U.S. economy is very small. All the real value was created in the place where the good was made. Some people involved in transportation have a job and some shelf stockers and the cashier, but that's about it. The rest of your money goes to profits which are zipped to NYC or Arkansas. It just makes no sense that our tax and trade laws ENCOURAGE that.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Exactly. A term or two in Congress should be seen as a limited time of public service, and not as a lucrative career as it is now. Money has corrupted our political system just as surely as it did that of the Romans before us, and the same result is likely.
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In my state, term limits resulted in an ongoing game of musical chairs with the elected offices, not in eliminating any incumbents. Eliminating the power and privilege given with seniority and ending official recognition of political parties in the legislatures (i.e eliminating positions such as majority or minority leader and giving extra power to the majority party) would be more effective, although very difficult to achieve.
 
Hard Truth said:
In my state, term limits resulted in an ongoing game of musical chairs with the elected offices, not in eliminating any incumbents. Eliminating the power and privilege given with seniority and ending official recognition of political parties in the legislatures (i.e eliminating positions such as majority or minority leader and giving extra power to the majority party) would be more effective, although very difficult to achieve.
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Real term limits would have to mean only a limited time in Washington, period. Otherwise, it would be just what you describe, a game of musical chairs.
 
Can somebody blaming Obama for the current deficeit spending explain how the Iraq and Afganistan wars are being paid for? What about the resulting veteran's benefits?
 
reinoe said:
Can somebody blaming Obama for the current deficeit spending explain how the Iraq and Afganistan wars are being paid for? What about the resulting veteran's benefits?
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Shhh.... That's off budget. Anyway, Obama owns Iraq and Afganistan now. Saying otherwise is just blaming Bush, and we can't do that.
 
Ockham said:
That's irony. Could you restate that so it makes sense?
This thread is not about the posters... do you have anything coherent and on topic to say that isn't flaming other posters?
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You playing thread police is hilarious. If you are so concerned about my participation in the thread then go back and read the thread. There you will find all sorts of posts of mine on this topic. Why don't you focus on those race baiters who try to derail the thread instead? Oh that's right... They are conservatives. Nvm.
 
tres borrachos said:
He has said he's for raising taxes, and he refuses to say by how much and on whom.
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Google is your friend.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsr...nders-details-tax-plan-declines-secrecy-offer

Sen. Bernie Sanders on Friday laid out tax reform proposals in letters to Sens. Max Baucus and Orrin Hatch. He declined an offer by the chairman and ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee to keep his proposals secret.

Sanders wrote in letters that spelled out specific proposals to:

•Stop profitable Wall Street banks and corporations from sheltering profits in the Cayman Islands and other tax havens to avoid paying U.S. taxes. Closing that tax loophole would reduce the deficit and create jobs that millions of Americans need.

•Establish a Wall Street speculation fee to ensure that large financial institutions pay their fair share in taxes. A fee of 0.03 percent on the sale of credit default swaps, derivatives, options, futures, and large amounts of stock would reduce gambling on Wall Street, encourage the financial sector to invest in the productive economy, and reduce the deficit by $352 billion over 10 years, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

•End tax breaks and subsidies for oil, gas and coal companies to reduce the deficit by more than $113 billion over the next 10 years. The five largest oil companies in the United States have made more than $1 trillion in profits over the past decade. Exxon Mobil is now the most profitable corporation in the world. Large, profitable fossil fuel companies do not need a tax break.

•Tax carbon and methane emissions that cause global warming. A bill by Sanders and Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), the Senate environment committee chairman, would apply fee at coal mines, oil refineries, national gas processing plants and other sites. Imported fuels would be subject to equivalent carbon fees. Some of the revenue would be returned to consumers and some would pay for investments in energy efficiency, sustainable energy, worker training and deficit reduction.

•Tax capital gains and dividends of the wealthiest 2 percent at the same rate as ordinary income to yield about $500 billion over the next decade. Today, the wealthy obtain most of their income from capital gains and dividends taxed at a much lower rate than work. The top marginal income tax for working is 39.6 percent, but the top tax rate on corporate dividends and capital gains is only 20 percent. That is not fair.
 
justabubba said:
no. point out the misleading inaccuracy
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Well, I don't believe you on that. But, I'll say this, take a look at the chart, and Obama, who has increased the deficit by Trillions of dollars, more than anyone, has this little teenie weenie bar, while all the other Presidents show these huge increases. Maybe a bit misleading, or just outright untrue.
 
FaceofBachmann said:
Google is your friend.

Sanders Details Tax Plan, Declines Secrecy Offer - Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont

Sen. Bernie Sanders on Friday laid out tax reform proposals in letters to Sens. Max Baucus and Orrin Hatch. He declined an offer by the chairman and ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee to keep his proposals secret.

Sanders wrote in letters that spelled out specific proposals to:

•Stop profitable Wall Street banks... Closing that tax loophole would reduce the deficit and create jobs that millions of Americans need.

•Establish a Wall Street speculation fee to...

•End tax breaks...

•Tax carbon and methane emissions...

•Tax capital gains and dividends of the wealthiest...
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Why is it that every solution this guy has is to increase taxes? Like the government doesn't take enough of out earnings already! No thanks.
 
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