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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by fedup View Post
    You really are a self-righteous partisan hack aren't you?
    One whose posts you can't rebut. And that's all that matters.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    One whose posts you can't rebut. And that's all that matters.
    Right, because a philosophy that emphasizes personal autonomy is going to endorse slavery.

    There were no facts behind your petty claim, just partisan hackery, and that's all that matters.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by fedup View Post
    Right, because a philosophy that emphasizes personal autonomy is going to endorse slavery.

    There were no facts behind your petty claim, just partisan hackery, and that's all that matters.
    I was responding to a post claiming that Jefferson was the father of libertarianism. Now, did Jefferson own slaves or not?

    So either stop trying to use Jefferson for supporting what is at best a nave ideology, or accept that it leads to all sorts of absurdities -- like slavery.

    Indeed, there is absolutely nothing in anarchistic libertarianism to prevent slavery. And indeed, even in "mainstream" libertarianism wage slavery is not only tolerated, but defended.

    Since libertarianism has no coherent concept of capital and how it relates to liberty, it's basically adolescent.

    Now, some people call themselves "libertarians" and it really means something innocuous like not legislating personal choices, such as drug use and abortion. That's harmless, if mildly coherent. But that's not what the ideological libertarians are about.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    I was responding to a post claiming that Jefferson was the father of libertarianism. Now, did Jefferson own slaves or not?

    So either stop trying to use Jefferson for supporting what is at best a nave ideology, or accept that it leads to all sorts of absurdities -- like slavery.

    Indeed, there is absolutely nothing in anarchistic libertarianism to prevent slavery. And indeed, even in "mainstream" libertarianism wage slavery is not only tolerated, but defended.

    Since libertarianism has no coherent concept of capital and how it relates to liberty, it's basically adolescent.

    Now, some people call themselves "libertarians" and it really means something innocuous like not legislating personal choices, such as drug use and abortion. That's harmless, if mildly coherent. But that's not what the ideological libertarians are about.
    Well first of all, Thomas Jefferson was NOT the father of libertarianism.

    Second of all, you're rambling on about something you don't really understand all that well. If you notice, my lean is Libertarian - Left and I have a Noam Chomsky quote explaining libertarian socialism as my signature. I'm very obviously not a supporter of wage slavery or other capitalist systems of oppression. Nor does libertarianism presuppose such systems.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    In a vain attempt to keep this thread from being hijacked, I started another on libertarianism.

    It is here.
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by fedup View Post
    Well first of all, Thomas Jefferson was NOT the father of libertarianism.

    Second of all, you're rambling on about something you don't really understand all that well. If you notice, my lean is Libertarian - Left and I have a Noam Chomsky quote explaining libertarian socialism as my signature. I'm very obviously not a supporter of wage slavery or other capitalist systems of oppression. Nor does libertarianism presuppose such systems.
    Talk to your buddy about Jefferson, not me. It wasn't my argument.

    As to the rest -- a nonresponse. Something I've learned to expect from libertarians. You simply have no theory regarding capital, making libertarianism a joke. It has nothing to say (except minor practical arguments like decriminalizing pot; hardly a important political theory)

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    Talk to your buddy about Jefferson, not me. It wasn't my argument.

    As to the rest -- a nonresponse. Something I've learned to expect from libertarians. You simply have no theory regarding capital, making libertarianism a joke. It has nothing to say (except minor practical arguments like decriminalizing pot; hardly a important political theory)
    Yeah...

    Would you rather have Mao. Stalin, Ho Che Minh, Pol Pot?

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