in any event, your ignorance isn't something you should keep defending.... acknowledge facts and move on.
the Koch bros. did not found the Libertarian party or american libertarianism... that is just a plain ol' fact... acknowledge it and move on.
I agree it has grown to be very VERY rich an greedy. With members like the Koch's...
Hahahhahhaa if Jefferson was muricas fourth greatest political figure that really goes to show you how hypocritical america is and how it was founded on boldfaced lies and deceit.
Who were the other three? Washington? (The richest man in america, another slave owner.) Franklin (either a serial killer or a grave robber probably, cheated on his wife horrendously and subjugated women to a extreme, and another slave owner that was extremely wealthy.) And who?
IMO the only founder worth a dang was Benjamin rush.
I think the defines of Libertarianism and its founders would make a fine Thread....
But, it is NOT the subject of this Thread.
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Define Progressive - a perpetual sour, judgmental expression, because the glass is always half-empty of Piss and a Crucifix.
member of the Sons of Liberty... an organization you would vehemently oppose if it existed today...,, it would be considered "right wing" in nature, opposed more crown taxes, and were advocates for individual liberty....they are kind of similar to the tea party movement ( or what you so immaturely refer to as " the teabagger party")
And no I oppose paying taxes to a monarch... Its much different...
Centuries old? No not really the founders wanted you to pay taxes... Laze-fare is centuries old...
Plus all your "philosophy's" come from extraordinarily hypocritical ppl....
Again then I could say progressive and socialist philosophy's started with Jesus.
Rush was a abolitionist and dissented on allot of things the founders did. He advocated free public schools, and sought improved education for women and a more enlightened penal system.
Sounds like a really conservative guy...
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as an additional off topic observation.... there was a time when Bernie could have been accurately described as Libertarian.
the early 1800s or late 1790s, for example.
today, he's just another huge government Democrat ( yes, i know he's technically an independent... but he about as independent as Hillary or Obama )