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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    And serial rapist who didn't even have the decency to free his slaves when he died (Washington, God bless him, did).

    Jefferson contributed a great deal to the country (including money) but he was a very flawed man, and very morally dubious. If he represents libertarianism, all the more reason to reject it. If Jefferson had his way, we'd still be a rural nation run by slaveowners. I take it down deep that is the libertarian vision.
    you are free to " take it deep down".... it's entirely false and utterly laughable... but you are free to believe in whatever absurdities you want.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    That's like me saying socialism started with Jesus.

    Some of the ideas may have been their, but it certainly did not.

    Once more libertarian (as a word) did not exist until 1789. How did it start before the word was a word?
    you don't believe people believed in freedom before there was a word for it, or a philosophy to explain it?

    in any event, your ignorance isn't something you should keep defending.... acknowledge facts and move on.

    the Koch bros. did not found the Libertarian party or american libertarianism... that is just a plain ol' fact... acknowledge it and move on.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    Libertarianism is a Life-Philosophy and set of values, not a Political Party.

    The Thomas Jefferson did not define today's Libertarianism completely, and it has grown much richer and more subtle over the decades, but Jefferson got a completely antagonistic Society/World Scene heading in the right direction.

    Thomas Jefferson is probably America's forth greatest Political Figure.

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    No its a political party. They have a website, ppl run under it, so on and so fourth...

    I agree it has grown to be very VERY rich an greedy. With members like the Koch's...

    Hahahhahhaa if Jefferson was muricas fourth greatest political figure that really goes to show you how hypocritical america is and how it was founded on boldfaced lies and deceit.

    Who were the other three? Washington? (The richest man in america, another slave owner.) Franklin (either a serial killer or a grave robber probably, cheated on his wife horrendously and subjugated women to a extreme, and another slave owner that was extremely wealthy.) And who?

    IMO the only founder worth a dang was Benjamin rush.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Nope. It was founded in DEC 1971 with ideals that were largely made by Koch's dollars donating to various political think tanks and organizations...

    Try researching things before you speak ya?
    The Libertarian PARTY was. The idea is centuries old. Do you not understand the difference between the LP and the libertarian philosophy?

    FYI the Koch Bros are GOP shills, try researching thing before you speak.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    I think the defines of Libertarianism and its founders would make a fine Thread....

    But, it is NOT the subject of this Thread.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    No its a political party. They have a website, ppl run under it, so on and so fourth...

    I agree it has grown to be very VERY rich an greedy. With members like the Koch's...

    Hahahhahhaa if Jefferson was muricas fourth greatest political figure that really goes to show you how hypocritical america is and how it was founded on boldfaced lies and deceit.

    Who were the other three? Washington? (The richest man in america, another slave owner.) Franklin (either a serial killer or a grave robber probably, cheated on his wife horrendously and subjugated women to a extreme, and another slave owner that was extremely wealthy.) And who?

    IMO the only founder worth a dang was Benjamin rush.
    Benjamin Rush eh?.... good dude.

    member of the Sons of Liberty... an organization you would vehemently oppose if it existed today...,, it would be considered "right wing" in nature, opposed more crown taxes, and were advocates for individual liberty....they are kind of similar to the tea party movement ( or what you so immaturely refer to as " the teabagger party")

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Benjamin Rush eh?.... good dude.

    member of the Sons of Liberty... an organization you would vehemently oppose if it existed today...,, it would be considered "right wing" in nature, opposed more crown taxes, and were advocates for individual liberty....they are kind of similar to the tea party movement ( or what you so immaturely refer to as " the teabagger party")
    First off that was their original name... "Teabaggers" because of the teabags they wore on their hats... They gave it to themselves...

    And no I oppose paying taxes to a monarch... Its much different...

    Quote Originally Posted by fedup View Post
    The Libertarian PARTY was. The idea is centuries old. Do you not understand the difference between the LP and the libertarian philosophy?

    FYI the Koch Bros are GOP shills, try researching thing before you speak.
    I did and they actually dissagree with the GOP allot... They are for ending prohibition, gay marriage.... Etc.... Thy are certainly libertarians like it or not...

    Centuries old? No not really the founders wanted you to pay taxes... Laze-fare is centuries old...

    Plus all your "philosophy's" come from extraordinarily hypocritical ppl....

    Again then I could say progressive and socialist philosophy's started with Jesus.

    Rush was a abolitionist and dissented on allot of things the founders did. He advocated free public schools, and sought improved education for women and a more enlightened penal system.

    Sounds like a really conservative guy...
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    First off that was their original name... "Teabaggers" because of the teabags they wore on their hats... They gave it to themselves...
    stop insulting our intelligence....every single one of us knows better.

    And no I oppose paying taxes to a monarch... Its much different...
    ...they are not so different....whether you allow yourself to understand that or not is irrelevant.



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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

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    I did and they actually dissagree with the GOP allot... They are for ending prohibition, gay marriage.... Etc.... Thy are certainly libertarians like it or not...

    Centuries old? No not really the founders wanted you to pay taxes... Laze-fare is centuries old...

    Plus all your "philosophy's" come from extraordinarily hypocritical ppl....

    Again then I could say progressive and socialist philosophy's started with Jesus.

    Rush was a abolitionist and dissented on allot of things the founders did. He advocated free public schools, and sought improved education for women and a more enlightened penal system.

    Sounds like a really conservative guy...
    Are we talking about the Fox News definition of "libertarian" or like, you know, the actual one? Making the claim that the corporatist protections the Koch Bros lobby for is indicative of even right-wing libertarianism is just plain silly. Making the claim that the entirety of the libertarian philosophy, left and right, was "made up" by two old white dudes that almost single-handedly fund a party antithetical to basically everything libertarian is...well really ****ing ignorant.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    I think the defines of Libertarianism and its founders would make a fine Thread....

    But, it is NOT the subject of this Thread.

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    true that....

    as an additional off topic observation.... there was a time when Bernie could have been accurately described as Libertarian.
    the early 1800s or late 1790s, for example.
    today, he's just another huge government Democrat ( yes, i know he's technically an independent... but he about as independent as Hillary or Obama )

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