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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Oh yea the guy that thought he had so much liberty it was ok to rape his slaves and enslaved his kids he founded your party? Great idea revere him...

    No it was founded in 1971 regardless of what you think.

    And its funny you should say that.... Jefferson died in 1782 and the word didn't exist till 1789.... Kinda hard for him to have done that...

    Stop watching Glenn beck dude it rots your mind.
    Take the time to read the Federalist Papers and other debates on the formation of the American Constitution and you'll have a much better understanding of Thomas Jefferson.

    Before the Progressive-Fascist started to re-write history, nobody thought that T Jefferson routinely raped his slaves.... EVER!

    Maybe, just maybe, it never happened.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Well go ahead, cite your source(s).

    Have you read any works by the following, all of whom were influential in articulating the beliefs that describe libertarianism?: John Locke, Frédéric Bastiat, Thomas Paine, John Stuart Mill, Herbert Spencer, Henry George; Albert Jay Nock, Frank Chodorov, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, Isabel Paterson, Rose Wilder Lane, Murray Rothbard, Milton Friedman.

    That is one fantastic reading list! Kudos!

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    I think Libertarianism started before America was official with the founder being Thomas Jefferson.

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    It started with the Declaration of Independence, which outlined the purpose of government. It's been corrupted in some circles to mean anarchism and some right wing ideology that was never the original meaning of the term.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Well go ahead, cite your source(s).

    Have you read any works by the following, all of whom were influential in articulating the beliefs that describe libertarianism?: John Locke, Frédéric Bastiat, Thomas Paine, John Stuart Mill, Herbert Spencer, Henry George; Albert Jay Nock, Frank Chodorov, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, Isabel Paterson, Rose Wilder Lane, Murray Rothbard, Milton Friedman.
    Actually yes to an extent anyway... I can only take in so much hypocracy in one go however...

    Furthermore they were almost all slaveowners you realize? Making them extreme hypocrites to talk about "liberty" not to mention extremely mysogenistic.
    Not to mention most of those authors talked about laze-faire. Not libertarianism. If you wanted to say they wrote about the economic ideas that libertarianism is based on you would be correct.

    My source is the fact that the libertarian party was founded in 1971. Google it. To say any different is like when Muslims claim their religion is older than time. You and they are just wrong. Islam started after Christianity (by about 600 years I think) and libertarianism started in 1971.

    Merriam is my source for the date of the word.

    Wikipedia for Jeffersons death.

    Do some research.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    Take the time to read the Federalist Papers and other debates on the formation of the American Constitution and you'll have a much better understanding of Thomas Jefferson.

    Before the Progressive-Fascist started to re-write history, nobody thought that T Jefferson routinely raped his slaves.... EVER!

    Maybe, just maybe, it never happened.

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    Yea progressives are fascist... Good one... Do you know what fascism is? And no one is rewriting history. They are looking at it objectively. Their is a difference. The founders tried to rewrite history to a extent, or more accurstly, suppress certain parts, and shove other parts to the front. As the victor is liable to do.

    I have read the federalist papers. Again hilarious.

    http://www.monticello.org/site/plant...-brief-account

    Have fun debating historical fact. Can you say tin hat?

    Again stop watching beck! Or Alex Jones!!!

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Libertarianism is a Life-Philosophy and set of values, not a Political Party.

    The Thomas Jefferson did not define today's Libertarianism completely, and it has grown much richer and more subtle over the decades, but Jefferson got a completely antagonistic Society/World Scene heading in the right direction.

    Thomas Jefferson is probably America's forth greatest Political Figure.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It started with the Declaration of Independence, which outlined the purpose of government. It's been corrupted in some circles to mean anarchism and some right wing ideology that was never the original meaning of the term.
    That's like me saying socialism started with Jesus.

    Some of the ideas may have been their, but it certainly did not.

    Once more libertarian (as a word) did not exist until 1789. How did it start before the word was a word?

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    Libertarianism is a Life-Philosophy and set of values, not a Political Party.

    The Thomas Jefferson did not define today's Libertarianism completely, and it has grown much richer and more subtle over the decades, but Jefferson got a completely antagonistic Society/World Scene heading in the right direction.

    Thomas Jefferson is probably America's forth greatest Political Figure.

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    And serial rapist who didn't even have the decency to free his slaves when he died (Washington, God bless him, did).

    Jefferson contributed a great deal to the country (including money) but he was a very flawed man, and very morally dubious. If he represents libertarianism, all the more reason to reject it. If Jefferson had his way, we'd still be a rural nation run by slaveowners. I take it down deep that is the libertarian vision.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by DocileLion View Post
    That claim is so ignorant my head is spinning. Libertarianism was around long before the Koch Bros were even a twinkle in their father's eye.
    he's obviously unable to differentiate between a political philosophy and a political party....

    in addition, his claim about the Koch brothers founding " libertarianism" ( obviously he means the Libertarian Party) is false.....David Nolan would be the correct answer to that particular question.



    as for the topic, I hope Bernie runs.... I won't vote for him if ya' paid me and he has no chance of winning, but it's nice to have someone with some sort of principles and character up on that stage... if only to highlight the lack of principles and character of the rest of the candidates

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    That's like me saying socialism started with Jesus.

    Some of the ideas may have been their, but it certainly did not.

    Once more libertarian (as a word) did not exist until 1789. How did it start before the word was a word?
    First, the philosophy. Then the label. The idea that government exists to protect our liberty started with the Declaration of Independence in this country, but I'm sure people understood the need for freedom sooner than that.
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