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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Can somebody blaming Obama for the current deficeit spending explain how the Iraq and Afganistan wars are being paid for? What about the resulting veteran's benefits?
    Shhh.... That's off budget. Anyway, Obama owns Iraq and Afganistan now. Saying otherwise is just blaming Bush, and we can't do that.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's irony. Could you restate that so it makes sense?
    This thread is not about the posters... do you have anything coherent and on topic to say that isn't flaming other posters?
    You playing thread police is hilarious. If you are so concerned about my participation in the thread then go back and read the thread. There you will find all sorts of posts of mine on this topic. Why don't you focus on those race baiters who try to derail the thread instead? Oh that's right... They are conservatives. Nvm.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    He has said he's for raising taxes, and he refuses to say by how much and on whom.
    Google is your friend.

    http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsro...-secrecy-offer

    Sen. Bernie Sanders on Friday laid out tax reform proposals in letters to Sens. Max Baucus and Orrin Hatch. He declined an offer by the chairman and ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee to keep his proposals secret.

    Sanders wrote in letters that spelled out specific proposals to:

    •Stop profitable Wall Street banks and corporations from sheltering profits in the Cayman Islands and other tax havens to avoid paying U.S. taxes. Closing that tax loophole would reduce the deficit and create jobs that millions of Americans need.

    •Establish a Wall Street speculation fee to ensure that large financial institutions pay their fair share in taxes. A fee of 0.03 percent on the sale of credit default swaps, derivatives, options, futures, and large amounts of stock would reduce gambling on Wall Street, encourage the financial sector to invest in the productive economy, and reduce the deficit by $352 billion over 10 years, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

    •End tax breaks and subsidies for oil, gas and coal companies to reduce the deficit by more than $113 billion over the next 10 years. The five largest oil companies in the United States have made more than $1 trillion in profits over the past decade. Exxon Mobil is now the most profitable corporation in the world. Large, profitable fossil fuel companies do not need a tax break.

    •Tax carbon and methane emissions that cause global warming. A bill by Sanders and Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), the Senate environment committee chairman, would apply fee at coal mines, oil refineries, national gas processing plants and other sites. Imported fuels would be subject to equivalent carbon fees. Some of the revenue would be returned to consumers and some would pay for investments in energy efficiency, sustainable energy, worker training and deficit reduction.

    •Tax capital gains and dividends of the wealthiest 2 percent at the same rate as ordinary income to yield about $500 billion over the next decade. Today, the wealthy obtain most of their income from capital gains and dividends taxed at a much lower rate than work. The top marginal income tax for working is 39.6 percent, but the top tax rate on corporate dividends and capital gains is only 20 percent. That is not fair.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no. point out the misleading inaccuracy
    Well, I don't believe you on that. But, I'll say this, take a look at the chart, and Obama, who has increased the deficit by Trillions of dollars, more than anyone, has this little teenie weenie bar, while all the other Presidents show these huge increases. Maybe a bit misleading, or just outright untrue.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    Google is your friend.

    Sanders Details Tax Plan, Declines Secrecy Offer - Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont

    Sen. Bernie Sanders on Friday laid out tax reform proposals in letters to Sens. Max Baucus and Orrin Hatch. He declined an offer by the chairman and ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee to keep his proposals secret.

    Sanders wrote in letters that spelled out specific proposals to:

    •Stop profitable Wall Street banks... Closing that tax loophole would reduce the deficit and create jobs that millions of Americans need.

    •Establish a Wall Street speculation fee to...

    •End tax breaks...

    •Tax carbon and methane emissions...

    •Tax capital gains and dividends of the wealthiest...
    Why is it that every solution this guy has is to increase taxes? Like the government doesn't take enough of out earnings already! No thanks.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Why is it that every solution this guy has is to increase taxes? Like the government doesn't take enough of out earnings already! No thanks.
    Income inequality is "immoral" according to Sanders. How else is he going to take from the rich and give to the poor? Wait until he comes out with his plans for raising taxes on individuals. I guarantee if you make more than $40,000 a year, he'll go after it. One of the many reasons I will never support him.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Why is it that every solution this guy has is to increase taxes? Like the government doesn't take enough of out earnings already! No thanks.
    Because the GOP has shielded the rich from paying taxes for the last decade, and because taxing the rich is good for the economy?

    In any case, the allegation was that Sanders didn't say what his tax plan was. He did. In detail. So that empty rightwing talking point is out the door.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Income inequality is "immoral" according to Sanders. How else is he going to take from the rich and give to the poor? Wait until he comes out with his plans for raising taxes on individuals. I guarantee if you make more than $40,000 a year, he'll go after it. One of the many reasons I will never support him.
    Didn't really bother to read his detailed tax plan, even though I provided it.

    As to your 'guarantee' I love it when conservatives pretend to care about working people. It's so wonderfully fulsome.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    Because the GOP has shielded the rich from paying taxes for the last decade, and because taxing the rich is good for the economy?

    In any case, the allegation was that Sanders didn't say what his tax plan was. He did. In detail. So that empty rightwing talking point is out the door.
    I didn't need him to say a thing, I know his plan. Oh, and the rich already pay the lion's share of the taxes, let alone their "fair share."
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Do we have a problem in the US with income distribution?

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