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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

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    In my view paying a full-time worker enough to live on decently is every employer's responsibility as decent human beings. Paying desperate people inadequate wages is immoral exploitation.
    No, it isn't. They can pay more if they want, but their competition will just cut them down. The market sets the price for wages, companies don't, that would be collusion. When's the last time you went to a store solely because you knew you would pay more, all else being equal? I'll answer for you, never. People don't do that and stores like that can't survive.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Real liberals (like Kucinich, Sanders and only a few others holding federal elective office,) would end the deficit swiftly by eliminating unnecessary expenditures on the drug war, police state and Patriot Act excesses and unnecessary toys, experimental weapon design and building, closing foreign military bases, ending the USA's role as World Police, and ending corruption in government grants, tax breaks, purchasing and contracting....if they can get the legislation passed.
    Very doubtful, they are big spenders. For every dollar they cut on defense (and our security as a nation), they would spend two on social welfare. Don't get your hopes up with this crowd.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And yet, he's opposed Obama in foreign policy issues. He voted against extending the payroll tax cut. He voted against the bank bailouts, voted against the Iraq war, and the war in Afghanistan. It seems to me he opposes the POTUS on some pretty important issues. In the area of foreign policy in particular, he's more of a libertarian than a Democrat.
    I think most rank and file Democrats support most of Sander's foreign policy ideas, but not the leadership.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Then, he's using the term "socialist" pretty loosely, isn't he?
    I'd say so. I think he's for very strong social programs but not all out socialism. What I think is interesting is that the demonization of social anything is so pervasive and he keeps it in his declared title and doesn't run from it like a coward. I think his running will make people actually look at what it is rather than just spew it out like some kind of nationally understood pejorative.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    I believe 1750Texan is spot-on, even if his prediction is an unintended consequence.

    I want Sanders to challenge Clinton on the issues since he won't drag the discussion into the same mud GOPs play in.
    It will make her a stronger candidate during debates, since the withering attacks on her well before 1992 will not bother her .
    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Not even close. He's no fan of Hillary's stance and says so rather frequently. He's said he will run IF no one will challenge Hillary from the left because she is too far to the right already.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    No, it isn't. They can pay more if they want, but their competition will just cut them down. The market sets the price for wages, companies don't, that would be collusion. When's the last time you went to a store solely because you knew you would pay more, all else being equal? I'll answer for you, never. People don't do that and stores like that can't survive.
    The fact is that we have minimum wage and other labor laws to limit the power of the marketplace and for many good reasons.

    You're right that the consuming public shares this responsibility. I never shop at Walmart and avoid Chinese made goods. We can all do more by buying less, buying local, buying union made and avoiding buying from the worst exploiters.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I'd say so. I think he's for very strong social programs but not all out socialism.
    Sanders hasn't come to the realization that we must decrease the increases in every aspect of the budget, including social programs.

    And I saw what happened last December when Congressman Ryan and Sen. Murray
    tried to save billions by taking away one of the three COLA points from Veteran's pensions.
    Military and Neo-con state pols from both parties deep-sixed this "very small" agreement, as it was called.

    How much is enough for the wealthy officers, paraphrasing Ted Kennedy?

    And neither party dares talk of means-testing--
    hopefully Ryan/Murray will continue to have a great working relationship when Ryan takes over Ways and Means next year .
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Then why did you bring the race card into this thread in the first place?

    Could be that I carry my wallet in my left rear pocket and it's a little thin because all of the taxes I have to pay in California so it's causing me to lean to the left when I'm sitting.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    In dangerous places such as behind your Orange Curtain, I keep the wallet up front or in a zip-lock pocket of a jacket.
    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Could be that I carry my wallet in my left rear pocket and it's a little thin because all of the taxes I have to pay in California so it's causing me to lean to the left when I'm sitting.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The fact is that we have minimum wage and other labor laws to limit the power of the marketplace and for many good reasons.

    You're right that the consuming public shares this responsibility. I never shop at Walmart and avoid Chinese made goods. We can all do more by buying less, buying local, buying union made and avoiding buying from the worst exploiters.
    Not to mention buying burgers not made of pink slime, leading inevitably to higher medical costs for the Nation.

    I buy burgers from our local independent small businesses, one of whom is a good friend of mine.

    I see the difficulties that crop up for him, such as his old computer sysyem going out--
    $20,000 for a new one he can't afford--so they are currently using paper and a calculator.

    I also buy bulk pounds of Italian Beef from him for our family get togethers .
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