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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Republicans would love to see a real liberal run as badly as I want to see Ted Cruz run.
    Talk about handing them 2016 on a platter.

    This is the same mentality that led over 53,000 Florida voters to vote for Ralph Nader third party in 2000 and we all know what that gave us.
    If you think eight more years of next generation GWB is acceptable, go for it.

    Meanwhile, you've already bit on the bait I've been watching these guys put in the trap since I was 14-YO during 1968.
    The year Bobby Kennedy went down--along with Martin Luther King Jr.
    As I previously said, the system is rigged so that third party candidates are just spoilers. I would not vote for a third party candidate if doing so means that the worst candidate wins. I didn't vote for Nader for that reason. But a Sanders run in the primary will at least bring some important issues into the debates that will go unmentioned otherwise.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I have personally calculated that I give approximately 50% of what I earn to one tax or another through the chain. How much is ENOUGH?
    I think you should fire your accountant.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    A good example of his positions that are an attack on individual liberties and in favor of big government. His statements are the obscenities, not a company that creates thousands and thousands of jobs. They are under no obligation to create higher paying jobs, or pay wages that are higher than the market value of the job. I guarantee that Sanders doesn't go into stores like Walmart and ask to pay more at the register because he wants the employees to make more money.
    In my view paying a full-time worker enough to live on decently is every employer's responsibility as decent human beings. Paying desperate people inadequate wages is immoral exploitation.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Absolutely--and Sanders has done great work for the common man over his decades.

    The best part will be the discussion of positive directions for the Democrats to take this Nation.

    Compared to what we saw in 2012 from GOPs except Huntsman.

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    As I previously said, the system is rigged so that third party candidates are just spoilers. I would not vote for a third party candidate if doing so means that the worst candidate wins. I didn't vote for Nader for that reason. But a Sanders run in the primary will at least bring some important issues into the debates that will go unmentioned otherwise.
    Nader still thinks it's funny.
    I'm sure 4,500 families don't agree.
    Not to mention those 22 families who lose a son/daughter/wife/husband/mother/father every day to suicide due to that damn war.
    Plus the tens of thousands of maimed soldiers and their families dealing with life-ling injuries.
    And the over-loaded VA system unable to handle all the Veterans from Foreign Wars .
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    you benefit immensely from societal structure and order. you are paid in pieces of green paper that society has decided are worth anything. you have social safety nets in case you ever need them, and universal food and health care for the poor (though it is delivered in the most inefficient way possible because a good chunk of the country opposes every attempt to fix it,) so you are safe from them rioting or robbing your house when their kid needs food or antibiotics. you're also protected from highwaymen and regional warlords.

    "slave to the government" is hyperbole. you're a citizen of the US (and damned lucky to be one; a double digit percentage of the world would trade citizenship with you if given the chance.) in other words, you're in the catbird seat. taxes are the bill.

    however, this debt **** has to be addressed. i would address it with a foreign policy redesign, new revenue streams, and a new mission statement that we will pay for what we buy rather than put everything on the damned credit card. this **** really does bother me.
    I'm not here to serve the government, the government is here to serve the people. And they have forgotten their place. I'm not lucky to give the government 50% of my property, which I alone earned. The government is lucky to have me (us). I don't owe the government anything, there is no "bill". The government is a necessary evil. One which should be watched, regulated, and reeled in as often as possible. Not the other way around, like we have now.

    The problem is that we have too many citizens, blind to what is happening in front of their faces, that enable this type of government. Looking for ways to get more tax revenue for the government. Yeah, let's all put our heads together and figure out ways to get more of our money in the hands of government. They have done so well with it in the past. There is something seriously wrong with thinking like that, but our government sits ready to take advantage of us through those people. Very useful, to the government.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    nahh... he's for a very well regulated capitalism. Not overtaking industry. Like putting glass/steagal back into place for the banks.
    Then, he's using the term "socialist" pretty loosely, isn't he?
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    First of all, that's a claim you cannot prove, secondly, are you unaware, or just ignoring the amount that the government grew under GWB? And did you know that the national debt doubled during Bush's presidency? That's right, it took two hundred years to accumulate 1 trillion dollars of debt to the nation, and 5 trillion dollars was added in just the eight years GWB was president. Both parties have added equally to the ND, both parties have taken us into unnecessary wars, both parties have supported militant Islamic groups, both parties have left our southern border unsecured, both parties have engaged in regime change, both parties have destroyed evidence of wrong doing, both parties have lawyer shopped to justify wrong doing, both parties have lied to the American public, both parties have used covert operations around the world to by-pass congressional authorities, (that's no exhaustive list) but, STOP being a partisan, and be a patriotic American demanding that BOTH parties adhere to our constitution. Otherwise, more of all the above will continue.
    Because both parties are the Corporate Party.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    It is clear what Sanders ultimate goal will be. He will run lead blocker for Clinton. He will be Clinton's bulldog going after the GOP hard while Clinton can stay above the fray until the GOP nominates their no. 1.
    Not even close. He's no fan of Hillary's stance and says so rather frequently. He's said he will run IF no one will challenge Hillary from the left because she is too far to the right already.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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