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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    And Nixon was so sweet to George Romney, who did give us 12 years of tax returns .
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    Goldwater was very different on economic policies. He would be considered a Libertarian today, but he was not an anarcho-capitalist, as so many Libertarians are now. He believed in Social Security, and the safety net. He was almost knocked out of the running in 1964. William Scranton, a Senator from Pennsylvania, tried to get George Romney to run and take the nomination away from Goldwater. Romney refused. Nelson Rockefeller also did some nasty things, such as starting a whispering campaign against Goldwater just before the convention started. This is why Goldwater lost to Johnson in 1964. The "Daisy" commercial, claiming that Goldwater would bring nuclear devastation to America, was started by pissed off Republicans after he won the nomination, and of course, the Democrats played that piece over and over. Understand that Republicans in the Northeast at that time were mostly to the left of center, so they quietly supported Johnson. Goldwater got even, though, by turning Ronald Reagan from a Democrat into a Republican, and the rest is history. LOL.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'd like to know even one person in D.C. that consistently stands up to their party. I don't think they exist by your standards.

    I can cite dozens of votes against MOST democrats - it's a matter of reviewing the record, and I started a list with a brief review. What's difficult is finding a case where he was the deciding NO vote, but again, I can't name any democrat or republican who occasionally or often provides the final no vote defeating a bill important to the rest of the caucus.
    And yet, he's opposed Obama in foreign policy issues. He voted against extending the payroll tax cut. He voted against the bank bailouts, voted against the Iraq war, and the war in Afghanistan. It seems to me he opposes the POTUS on some pretty important issues. In the area of foreign policy in particular, he's more of a libertarian than a Democrat.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And yet, he's opposed Obama in foreign policy issues. He voted against extending the payroll tax cut. He voted against the bank bailouts, voted against the Iraq war, and the war in Afghanistan. It seems to me he opposes the POTUS on some pretty important issues. In the area of foreign policy in particular, he's more of a libertarian than a Democrat.
    Yet he wants totally nationalized health insurance, strong gun control, a higher tax rate on corporations, and higher regulation. I really don't see him as much of a Libertarian, except on privacy issues, and war.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yet he wants totally nationalized health insurance, strong gun control, a higher tax rate on corporations, and higher regulation. I really don't see him as much of a Libertarian, except on privacy issues, and war.
    No, he's really not a libertarian either, except on some issues.

    Maybe he really is an independent.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Sanders could be part of an even-numbered cabal in a 48-48 Senate.
    I include Manchin, King and Orman for instance.
    These four could dictate compromise policy of the kind only the "gangs" began to approach .
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    No, he's really not a libertarian either, except on some issues.

    Maybe he really is an independent.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    At work?! Or you have a stand by at home? You're always stressing those knees, sorry dude, hope it's not too bad.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    It's my whole-house generator here at home. It runs everything when the power goes out.
    That's very cool. Diesel or gas/propane?
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Bernie's a great guy. I don't agree with all his positions but I do with the majority of them. His voting record and his many terms as a Representative in Vermont have shown that he's willing to follow through on principles that Obama only claimed to hold (and demonstrated that he didn't).
    Well to be fair... Senators need to do a helluvalot less compromising to get their wishes met for their state as does a president to get his wishes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal
    Unfortunately he is exactly what Conservatives fear that Obama is (except for the illegitimate Kenyan thing), so his cross-party appeal would be nonexistent, which is a shame because if just for the civil rights aspect he's better than anybody you'll get...ever.
    I think he'd do well with his message having public appeal in a way where party doesn't matter. He'd come across as a populist.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I thought about that.

    But I don't give a **** if there was or not. I don't let the color of someones skin influence my vote at the polls.

    But I'm wondering if Jimmy Carter is mulatto.
    Then why did you bring the race card into this thread in the first place?
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    First of all, that's a claim you cannot prove, secondly, are you unaware, or just ignoring the amount that the government grew under GWB? And did you know that the national debt doubled during Bush's presidency? That's right, it took two hundred years to accumulate 1 trillion dollars of debt to the nation, and 5 trillion dollars was added in just the eight years GWB was president.
    Yes, that's old news, and also irrelevant to what I posted about.

    Both parties have added equally to the ND, both parties have taken us into unnecessary wars, both parties have supported militant Islamic groups, both parties have left our southern border unsecured, both parties have engaged in regime change, both parties have destroyed evidence of wrong doing, both parties have lawyer shopped to justify wrong doing, both parties have lied to the American public, both parties have used covert operations around the world to by-pass congressional authorities, (that's no exhaustive list) but, STOP being a partisan, and be a patriotic American demanding that BOTH parties adhere to our constitution. Otherwise, more of all the above will continue.
    You are trying to make it sound like they are both doing the same thing, which is misleading and untrue. Nobody has ever spent like Obama, and Reagan was the only President to effectively cut government discretionary spending. Since Reagan though, spending has been insane. But Obama is just off the charts. But go ahead and post some misleading information on what a miser Obama is.
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