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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I guess we'll agree to disagree about his independence.

    Sanders will be POTUS when pigs fly, but I agree that anyone who CAN become POTUS will have to toe a certain line that doesn't vary a whole lot from party to party, but that's more a function of what kind of candidate is more or less allowed to be elevated to the position than a comment on what a hypothetical person might do if pigs flew, such as Sanders on the left or Ron Paul on the right.
    I liked Ron Paul, but didn't vote for him (ever). I'm desperately waiting for a candidate who is a true Libertarian who can actually drum up votes. Or bring back Goldwater from the dead.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well, yes, he calls himself a democratic socialist, so that's a fair characterization.

    I guess the way I evaluate people on the right or left with regard to their political character is to imagine a majority of those like them in the Senate in this case. If you had 60 Chuck Schumers I doubt a lot would change. If you had 60 Bernie Sanders, we'd be living in a different country, if bills passing through the Senate became law. Same with Ron Paul, and a few others on the right.
    Yes, and it would be Denmark west. I love Denmark but if I wanted to live there, I would.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    To be honest, none of the trickle down ever trickled down. However, what is worse would the kind of Socialism that Sanders would bring to the White House. And Hillary? She is a Neoliberal's Neoliberal. She might even have some Neocon in her. The last thing America needs is more Bush's or Clintons. I will vote Republican in 2016.
    Since your comments on Sanders haven't been proven--

    A discussion of issues in a positive way is how dems handled things in 2008--

    Meanwhile, FOX/GOPs are tripping over themselves to see who can get boots on the ground first--against the wishes of the American people.

    Btw, I continue to applaud Mr. Obama for not telling the press or GOP or FOX of his "strategic" plans .
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Could be but I doubt that. I've never heard a word from him indicating he wants to play the role of shill for Clinton. Not sure what an independent from Vermont gets out of that exercise. It's not like he needs some help getting reelected - I think he won by 40 points last time.
    1000% agree. There is no benefit to him for blocking and tackling for Hillary. And he's much loved in VT. They still talk about when he was mayor of Burlington.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I liked Ron Paul, but didn't vote for him (ever). I'm desperately waiting for a candidate who is a true Libertarian who can actually drum up votes. Or bring back Goldwater from the dead.
    Goldwater would be called an Evul Leebrul by some in here. He was fantastic on conservation and the environment.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You mean in the middle politically? That I do. I fall above the middle financially. If my taxes were raised again, it wouldn't be right. I'm not looking to punish anyone, including myself.
    I meant financially. It's the folks who ain't rich and ain't poor getting squeezed right now. As always.


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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I liked Ron Paul, but didn't vote for him (ever). I'm desperately waiting for a candidate who is a true Libertarian who can actually drum up votes. Or bring back Goldwater from the dead.
    Sen. Goldwater hated the lurch of the GOP to the Christian right.
    And I so appreciate FOX telling me the GOP strategy of attacking Mr. Obama over foreign policy on Bret Baier right now.
    Meanwhile, Sen. Graham continues to push boots on the ground and ZERO Libertarian pols speak against it .
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I would vote for Rand Paul. I disagree strongly with his economic policies, but the danger to America at this time is government overreach in spying programs and unauthorized war, which are more important issues at this time. Rand Paul would be a good weapon to have against the creeping authoritarian takeover of our Democracy.
    Rand Paul will not have the juice to change any of that. RP will have even less support on Gitmo, NSA, FISA Court...ect. than Obama from both the GOP and DEM.


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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Goldwater would be called an Evul Leebrul by some in here. He was fantastic on conservation and the environment.
    He was fantastic on a lot of things. I was way too young at the time to support him (I was only 2), but my parents loved him and he was my first real introduction to politics because they talked about him for years.

    His ideas on curbing pollution were trend setting.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Sen. Goldwater hated the lurch of the GOP to the Christian right.
    And I so appreciate FOX telling me the GOP strategy of attacking Mr. Obama over foreign policy on Bret Baier right now.
    Meanwhile, Sen. Graham continues to push boots on the ground and ZERO Libertarian pols speak against it .
    "I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?"

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