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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Democratic primaries including Sanders, Biden and Clinton will exude the positives of the DEM party.
    Just as they did between Clinton and Obama in 2008.

    Not so much in 2012 when GOPs lurched to the far-right with their mean-spirited attacks--except Huntsman .
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    How can he be a Democrat and still claim to be a socialist? Surely, you're not going to support the RWENJ position that Democrats are socialists?
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    They don't carry an "I" behind their names, do they?

    He is a Liberal who wants socialism. I respect his honesty. I disagree with his desires.
    Well, yes, he calls himself a democratic socialist, so that's a fair characterization.

    I guess the way I evaluate people on the right or left with regard to their political character is to imagine a majority of those like them in the Senate in this case. If you had 60 Chuck Schumers I doubt a lot would change. If you had 60 Bernie Sanders, we'd be living in a different country, if bills passing through the Senate became law. Same with Ron Paul, and a few others on the right.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    It is clear what Sanders ultimate goal will be. He will run lead blocker for Clinton. He will be Clinton's bulldog going after the GOP hard while Clinton can stay above the fray until the GOP nominates their no. 1.


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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Actually the potential next Senator from Kansas, Mr. Orman, is a true independent, and Angus King comes very close from Maine.
    Then again, so did Olympia Snowe before she retired in disgust--and Susan Collins still is.
    And Sen. Manchin is also .
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    OK, just wondering who the true independents were, and there aren't any.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Maybe I missed the controversy on this forum. Where is it?

    What other Democrats push the trickle down economic theory that he's countering?
    To be honest, none of the trickle down ever trickled down. However, what is worse would the kind of Socialism that Sanders would bring to the White House. And Hillary? She is a Neoliberal's Neoliberal. She might even have some Neocon in her. The last thing America needs is more Bush's or Clintons. I will vote Republican in 2016.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No but I think that was obvious to everyone before, wasn't it? He's no more independent than anyone else. Don't get me wrong though - I do respect the guy for admitting he's a socialist, which sets him apart in that regard.

    With the current structure in DC, no President is going to be able to change much. Single payer won't fly. We'll still march into ME countries (something I wish we would stop doing). And so on.
    I guess we'll agree to disagree about his independence.

    Sanders will be POTUS when pigs fly, but I agree that anyone who CAN become POTUS will have to toe a certain line that doesn't vary a whole lot from party to party, but that's more a function of what kind of candidate is more or less allowed to be elevated to the position than a comment on what a hypothetical person might do if pigs flew, such as Sanders on the left or Ron Paul on the right.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    It is also obvious what con posters are doing on here--negativism and division always are.
    GOPs only know how to divide, as with their own GOP House.
    Dems are above this, trying to lead this Nation forward--as I watch Sanders on the Ed Show right now .
    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    It is clear what Sanders ultimate goal will be. He will run lead blocker for Clinton. He will be Clinton's bulldog going after the GOP hard while Clinton can stay above the fray until the GOP nominates their no. 1.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    To be honest, none of the trickle down ever trickled down. However, what is worse would the kind of Socialism that Sanders would bring to the White House. And Hillary? She is a Neoliberal's Neoliberal. She might even have some Neocon in her. The last thing America needs is more Bush's or Clintons. I will vote Republican in 2016.
    From your fingers to God's ears. I too am sick to death of the Clinton/Bush concept, although this country did pretty well under Bill Clinton. Hillary is a Neocon more than a lot of Neocons are. I think she will end up with vertigo from having to pretend she's left then right then left then middle then right then left....ugh.

    Sanders is a neat guy, but his ideas scare the living daylights out of me. He would not help this country. He would impede it.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I guess we'll agree to disagree about his independence.

    Sanders will be POTUS when pigs fly, but I agree that anyone who CAN become POTUS will have to toe a certain line that doesn't vary a whole lot from party to party, but that's more a function of what kind of candidate is more or less allowed to be elevated to the position than a comment on what a hypothetical person might do if pigs flew, such as Sanders on the left or Ron Paul on the right.
    I would vote for Rand Paul. I disagree strongly with his economic policies, but the danger to America at this time is government overreach in spying programs and unauthorized war, which are more important issues at this time. Rand Paul would be a good weapon to have against the creeping authoritarian takeover of our Democracy.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    It is clear what Sanders ultimate goal will be. He will run lead blocker for Clinton. He will be Clinton's bulldog going after the GOP hard while Clinton can stay above the fray until the GOP nominates their no. 1.
    Could be but I doubt that. I've never heard a word from him indicating he wants to play the role of shill for Clinton. Not sure what an independent from Vermont gets out of that exercise. It's not like he needs some help getting reelected - I think he won by 40 points last time.

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