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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    You were the one focused on how much tax you pay and trickle-down.
    Take your advice first and we wouldn't be here, a bad place for your team .
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Please return to the topic, which is Bernie Sanders. Thanks.

    You can start another thread about trillions that the Libertarian party has given to the rich and the corporations. I'll see you in that one.
    You mean the GOP that you have always been a part of.
    I see yer word games and raise you the truth, which has everything to do with honest Bernie .
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Sure they do--yer just twisting their words as you commonly do.
    You know damn well that trickle-down has been an abject disaster given to us by your GOP.

    It's been more like a torrential up since the GOP hedge-funders like Romney came to town during Reagan .
    As opposed to what? The Socialist style of economics that failed in the Soviet Union and China? Just look at how much the economy has grown over the last 40 years, sure you have your downs, but the economy always recovers. It's only been when the government decides to get heavily involved, that the economy starts to grind to a halt.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Run Ted Run .
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    Run Bernie Run!

    Run EW Run!

    Run Hillary out of the picture.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    He's not a controversial character. In fact, he's one of the least controversial because he admits to being a socialist, something most of them who are can't admit to.

    He doesn't oppose the Democrats on much, and never has. He's a Democrat to the core when it comes to his voting. People who pretend otherwise and cheer him like he's some Maverick are clueless. If he was elected POTUS, it would be no different than Elizabeth Warren or Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden. And like Obama, his hand would be forced to do things he wouldn't want to do because we don't elect dictators in this country, as you know.

    He's an interesting old guy, but he's a Democrat vote from top to bottom. Nothing independent about him.
    How can he be a Democrat and still claim to be a socialist? Surely, you're not going to support the RWENJ position that Democrats are socialists?
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    How can he be a Democrat and still claim to be a socialist? Surely, you're not going to support the RWENJ position that Democrats are socialists?
    Because he caucuses with the Democrats. He always has. I never said all Democrats are socialists and would appreciate you not implying that I did.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Because he caucuses with the Democrats. He always has. I never said all Democrats are socialists and would appreciate you not implying that I did.
    I didn't imply you did. I said surely, you don't.

    Because he caucuses with the Democrats, does that make him a Democrat? Are his positions those of the Democrat Party?
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    If people think this (below) is political extremism, then they ought to check their own extremism at the opposite end of the spectrum.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    How often is "very often"? What 10 key votes did he oppose Obama and the Democrats on?
    He's opposed virtually all of Obama's foreign policy measures, speaks frequently about the civil liberties violations - he's FAR closer to Ron Paul than Obama, voted against the bank bailouts, voted against the Iraq war, and the war in Afghanistan, voted against confirming Brennan, voted against the National Defense Authorization Act, opposes reauthorization of the ExIm bank, voted against extending the payroll tax cut (worried that it was robbing from the SS fund), he opposes all "free trade" bills that I know of, and is vocal about the corrupt process of drafting them, including the current proposals like TPP, etc.

    If you want more than that, you can do your own research. He caucuses with democrats and therefore votes yes on things he doesn't approve of, but are the least bad option, like every known politician in world history, but I respect him and believe he's got more integrity than the VAST majority in D.C. If you don't, great. But you might listen to him a bit before deciding - I think you'll respect him even when you disagree.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, you are just fooling yourself if you don't think these guys would rewrite the Constitution in a heartbeat, if they could. The Constitution was built to limit government and protect our rights and liberties (along with the States), these guys are for big, all powerful government. They want judges that ignore the Constitution, and they certainly feel that the government should be redistributing wealth even more than it does now.
    First of all, that's a claim you cannot prove, secondly, are you unaware, or just ignoring the amount that the government grew under GWB? And did you know that the national debt doubled during Bush's presidency? That's right, it took two hundred years to accumulate 1 trillion dollars of debt to the nation, and 5 trillion dollars was added in just the eight years GWB was president. Both parties have added equally to the ND, both parties have taken us into unnecessary wars, both parties have supported militant Islamic groups, both parties have left our southern border unsecured, both parties have engaged in regime change, both parties have destroyed evidence of wrong doing, both parties have lawyer shopped to justify wrong doing, both parties have lied to the American public, both parties have used covert operations around the world to by-pass congressional authorities, (that's no exhaustive list) but, STOP being a partisan, and be a patriotic American demanding that BOTH parties adhere to our constitution. Otherwise, more of all the above will continue.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I have personally calculated that I give approximately 50% of what I earn to one tax or another through the chain. How much is ENOUGH?
    what i would like to see happen is taxing investment income above a cap as income. if we did that, it would generate a lot of revenue. though i prefer the tax brackets of the 1990s, i'm negotiable on that.

    i do think that we should cut corporate taxes significantly. i would guess that we agree on that one. i also think that the burden should not just be on the rich. the lower brackets probably need to be increased somewhat, too, so that everyone pitches in.

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