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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Whatever, Vance. You're off in partisan hack loony land...so you go right on ahead. Apparently because I identify as a "leftist" that means I'll eagerly vote for a candidate that I absolutely despise, running on a party I absolutely despise, with a platform I absolutely despise because...you say so.

    You and Mark Levin have alot in common. Because libertarians don't buy into the GOP bull****, we must be Democrats.

    Oh and just an FYI, I've only voted for a Democratic candidate once in my entire life. So there goes your hackery right out the window.
    Im a registered libertarian, dont vote major party, and I GUARANTEE you...around August of 2016 you will be singing the womans praises and you WILL vote for her.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I GUARANTEE you...around August of 2016 you will be singing the womans praises and you WILL vote for her.
    Are you a broken record or something?

    Im a registered libertarian, dont vote major party
    I GUARANTEE you...around August of 2016 you will be singing the GOP's praises and you WILL vote for them.

    See? I can act like a stupid dimwitted hack too!

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Are you a broken record or something?



    I GUARANTEE you...around August of 2016 you will be singing the GOP's praises and you WILL vote for them.

    See? I can act like a stupid dimwitted hack too!
    Theres that temper again. Easy now...

    I GUARANTEE you...most libertarians wouldnt be tripping over themselves to support an avowed socialist and someone that promotes extensive government intrusion into their lives. Now...Im not the person to be defining what a 'real' libertarian is...but its pretty impressive how committed you are in defense of an extremist liberal socialist that is SO democrat he cant even call himself a democrat.


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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016
    i'd probably vote for him. we've had so much trickle down nonsense over the past thirty years that a term or two of him would be a nice countersteer. also, he votes against war, voted against the patriot act, and supports single payer. sounds good to me.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'd probably vote for him. we've had so much trickle down nonsense over the past thirty years that a term or two of him would be a nice countersteer. also, he votes against war, voted against the patriot act, and supports single payer. sounds good to me.
    While I don't agree with a lot of what he says, he's a good counterpoint to a lot of the nonsense that has been going on in Washington lately.

    I'm not so sure I'd vote for him as president, but it's good we have a few like him in Congress, just to keep things stirred up.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yes...it means he is a liberal hack that caucuses with the democrats, votes democrat, and is in every way shape and form a democrat...except he calls himself an 'independent'.

    Hey...heres another funny one. John McCain called himself a 'maverick'!
    Anyone who pretends that Sanders isn't a sure vote for whatever the Democrats are putting up is merely kidding himself. Sanders is a socialist, and there aren't others in DC who are honest about being socialists. He has supported virtually everything the Democrats have put out there for him to consider. Howard Dean has sung his praises for years calling him an ally and praising the fact that he votes with the Democrats 98% of the time.

    He can call himself whatever he likes, and put that "I" after his name, but for purposes of what he's done as a US Senator, he's a Democrat to the core. As I said to another poster, if this was Michelle Bachmann we were talking about, and she changed the "R" after her name to an "I", unless she stopped voting with the Rs on virtually every single issue, she'd still be a Republican.

    Sanders is no Independent. He wants this country to be a socialist society. That isn't the same thing as him being a partisan Democrat while on the job.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    If people think this (below) is political extremism, then they ought to check their own extremism at the opposite end of the spectrum.

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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I GUARANTEE you
    You really like the word "guarantee", don't you?

    most libertarians wouldnt be tripping over themselves to support an avowed socialist
    Keyword: most. There are libertarian philosophies that are socialist and even communist in nature. And, from a historical perspective, libertarian socialist ideas were around long before libertarian capitalist ideas were around. Libertarian socialists are few and far between these days, and libertarian socialism isn't the most viable or realistic philosophy ever, but it exists nonetheless. The idea that libertarianism precludes socialism and left-wing economics is stupid and rather ignorant of libertarian history.

    Libertarian socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    someone that promotes extensive government intrusion into their lives
    He's a civil libertarian. He is vehemently against government surveillance, the patriot act, the NDAA, the war on drugs, and other blatant violations of our civil liberties. That's more than I can say for any other candidate running through one of the major parties (aside from Ron Paul of course). He is also for legalizing same-sex marriage, he is pro choice, and is more sane on immigration than the far-right Republican/Democrat types. I don't think he quite supports open borders, but I believe he is at least for amnesty and doesn't wish to put up a Gestapo-style fence along the border.

    Im not the person to be defining what a 'real' libertarian is
    It shows.

    but its pretty impressive how committed you are in defense of an extremist liberal
    Well at least he's actually ****ing liberal instead of the neocon/neoliberal hybrid currently going on in the Democratic Party. I don't agree with him on everything but his social/civil/foreign policy issues mirror or are at least damn close to that of libertarians. Some of his economic policies are also pretty appealing to left-wing libertarians such as myself, even if other parts of his economics are a little "out there."

    Besides, I never said I'd trip over myself to vote for him. I merely said that if he won the nomination he would probably be the only chance of me ever voting Democratic. I said it was likely I would vote for him if he won the nomination, not definite, so don't get your conservative panties in a wad. It would be stupid for libertarians to not at least consider voting for him with a track record like his on war, civil liberties, anti-corporatism, social issues etc. It would be the first time in a while we've had someone decent running on one of the two major parties. The Democratic Party isn't leftist. It isn't liberal. It isn't progressive. That's why I tend to favor the Green and Libertarian Parties. They have the old liberal values that libertarians base, and always have based, their philosophy on.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And that's such garbage to call Hartmann, or Sander's for that matter, enemies of the constitution. Americans are not enemies of the constitution, regardless of their political bias. There are differences in its interpretation and application regularly. As you describe it the Democratic Party is an enemy to the constitution, and though you and others here would probably agree that they are, it's a very ridiculous argument.
    Well, you are just fooling yourself if you don't think these guys would rewrite the Constitution in a heartbeat, if they could. The Constitution was built to limit government and protect our rights and liberties (along with the States), these guys are for big, all powerful government. They want judges that ignore the Constitution, and they certainly feel that the government should be redistributing wealth even more than it does now.
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    Re: Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Liberal? He's a democratic socialist.

    No, Sanders wouldn't stand a chance in hell. Unlike Perot or Ralph Nader, the guy would pull far less support.
    I believe Sanders has said he would consider running as a Democrat.

    He and Elizabeth Warren have to be an absolute nightmare for Hillary Clinton. She's undoubtedly going to cast herself as a middle class moderate from middle America and to have those two socialists pull her far to the left to get the Democrat nomination will almost certainly mean a Republican in 2016. This is basically the same issue Republicans have had with the Tea Party except if it's a choice between less government and socialism, independents and moderate Democrats too will vote for less government.
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