I GUARANTEE you...most libertarians wouldnt be tripping over themselves to support an avowed socialist and someone that promotes extensive government intrusion into their lives. Now...Im not the person to be defining what a 'real' libertarian is...but its pretty impressive how committed you are in defense of an extremist liberal socialist that is SO democrat he cant even call himself a democrat.
i'd probably vote for him. we've had so much trickle down nonsense over the past thirty years that a term or two of him would be a nice countersteer. also, he votes against war, voted against the patriot act, and supports single payer. sounds good to me.Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016
Can't we just turn Congress off and then turn it back on again?
He can call himself whatever he likes, and put that "I" after his name, but for purposes of what he's done as a US Senator, he's a Democrat to the core. As I said to another poster, if this was Michelle Bachmann we were talking about, and she changed the "R" after her name to an "I", unless she stopped voting with the Rs on virtually every single issue, she'd still be a Republican.
Sanders is no Independent. He wants this country to be a socialist society. That isn't the same thing as him being a partisan Democrat while on the job.
If people think this (below) is political extremism, then they ought to check their own extremism at the opposite end of the spectrum.
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Keyword: most. There are libertarian philosophies that are socialist and even communist in nature. And, from a historical perspective, libertarian socialist ideas were around long before libertarian capitalist ideas were around. Libertarian socialists are few and far between these days, and libertarian socialism isn't the most viable or realistic philosophy ever, but it exists nonetheless. The idea that libertarianism precludes socialism and left-wing economics is stupid and rather ignorant of libertarian history.most libertarians wouldnt be tripping over themselves to support an avowed socialist
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He's a civil libertarian. He is vehemently against government surveillance, the patriot act, the NDAA, the war on drugs, and other blatant violations of our civil liberties. That's more than I can say for any other candidate running through one of the major parties (aside from Ron Paul of course). He is also for legalizing same-sex marriage, he is pro choice, and is more sane on immigration than the far-right Republican/Democrat types. I don't think he quite supports open borders, but I believe he is at least for amnesty and doesn't wish to put up a Gestapo-style fence along the border.someone that promotes extensive government intrusion into their lives
It shows.Im not the person to be defining what a 'real' libertarian is
Well at least he's actually ****ing liberal instead of the neocon/neoliberal hybrid currently going on in the Democratic Party. I don't agree with him on everything but his social/civil/foreign policy issues mirror or are at least damn close to that of libertarians. Some of his economic policies are also pretty appealing to left-wing libertarians such as myself, even if other parts of his economics are a little "out there."but its pretty impressive how committed you are in defense of an extremist liberal
Besides, I never said I'd trip over myself to vote for him. I merely said that if he won the nomination he would probably be the only chance of me ever voting Democratic. I said it was likely I would vote for him if he won the nomination, not definite, so don't get your conservative panties in a wad. It would be stupid for libertarians to not at least consider voting for him with a track record like his on war, civil liberties, anti-corporatism, social issues etc. It would be the first time in a while we've had someone decent running on one of the two major parties. The Democratic Party isn't leftist. It isn't liberal. It isn't progressive. That's why I tend to favor the Green and Libertarian Parties. They have the old liberal values that libertarians base, and always have based, their philosophy on.
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He and Elizabeth Warren have to be an absolute nightmare for Hillary Clinton. She's undoubtedly going to cast herself as a middle class moderate from middle America and to have those two socialists pull her far to the left to get the Democrat nomination will almost certainly mean a Republican in 2016. This is basically the same issue Republicans have had with the Tea Party except if it's a choice between less government and socialism, independents and moderate Democrats too will vote for less government.
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