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    How foreign fighters are swelling ISIS ranks in startling numbers

    How foreign fighters are swelling ISIS ranks - CNN.com

    CIA: ISIS doubled, if not tripled, it's ranks

    On Thursday, the CIA made a startling announcement: The number of people fighting for ISIS may be more than three times the previous estimates.
    Analysts and U.S. officials initially estimated there were as many as 10,000 fighters, including those freed from prisons by ISIS and Sunni loyalists who joined the fight as the group advanced across Iraq.
    But now ISIS, which calls itself the Islamic State, can "muster between 20,000 and 31,500 fighters across Iraq and Syria," a CIA spokesman told CNN on Thursday.
    "This new total reflects an increase in members because of stronger recruitment since June following battlefield successes and the declaration of a caliphate, greater battlefield activity and additional intelligence," the spokesman said.

    Rear Adm. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, said Friday that the increased estimates won't alter how the United States approaches ISIS, a group that he insisted "nobody has underestimated."
    "The 20,000 to 31,500 estimate doesn't necessarily change ... our estimate or (Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel's) belief that this is going to be a long-term struggle," Kirby said.
    Kirby added," We're not just simply about degrading and destroying ... the 20 to 30,000 (ISIS fighters). It's about degrading and destroying their capabilities to attack targets, particularly Western targets. It's about destroying their ideology."

    "There are many nationalities." "From Norway, from America, Canada, Somalia, Korea, China, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Lebanon and other European countries such as Germany and France."
    Within few months they gained so much territories, so much victories and now so many fighters within themselves.
    And considering how they transform Raqqa, they seem to be very serious when they say that they're there to establish an Islamic State.
    If ISIS progress by this way, 3 years and just bombing won't have any effect imo.

    Of course there are many reasons to believe that ISIS wouldn't be such this, if West wouldn't mess up that region with Libya and Iraq, however it's time to leave it to the past with this kind of ISIS in front.
    I do remember all those prisons break from Iraq, Syria, Libya, Lebanon, Tunisia etc etc, and I had the feeling something big was being prepared on that time.
    Most of the prisoners who escaped from those countries were not terrorist but just suspected as terrorist and were treated in a very cruel way. There is no surprise to me when ISIS members behead people. They have too much anger inside themselves. At the moment they lost the hope, they saw a light (ISIS). It's a bad light but they'll fight till the end for it.
    In Syria, there are many youngers who want to join ISIS.

    Still, it is without a question how people from Europe (muslims and non muslims) joined the battle.
    While beheading people, ISIS is sending the message with an UK citizen.
    All Europe and world was shocked how ISIS got so many foreign fighters and most of them came from most civilized countries (like UK, France, USA, Canada etc.).
    Most of these people left a very good job behind. Most of them were doctors, dentists, financiers. Most of them left their children behind.
    The West and US have been in quiet so far because indeed there really is so less information about ISIS.
    Main threat is that here around us might be a lot of jihadists and unfortunately we can never figure that out. Might be your doctor, your dentist, your teacher, your fire worker etc.

    Fact is, ISIS can't be destroyed only with a military plan.
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    Re: How foreign fighters are swelling ISIS ranks in startling numbers

    With the US and Saudis on their knees taking deep breaths and blowing hard at the base of the fire, what is there to expect but a bigger hotter fire. The POLICY in the ME is destabilisation!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How foreign fighters are swelling ISIS ranks in startling numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    How foreign fighters are swelling ISIS ranks - CNN.com



    Within few months they gained so much territories, so much victories and now so many fighters within themselves.
    And considering how they transform Raqqa, they seem to be very serious when they say that they're there to establish an Islamic State.
    If ISIS progress by this way, 3 years and just bombing won't have any effect imo.

    Of course there are many reasons to believe that ISIS wouldn't be such this, if West wouldn't mess up that region with Libya and Iraq, however it's time to leave it to the past with this kind of ISIS in front.
    I do remember all those prisons break from Iraq, Syria, Libya, Lebanon, Tunisia etc etc, and I had the feeling something big was being prepared on that time.
    Most of the prisoners who escaped from those countries were not terrorist but just suspected as terrorist and were treated in a very cruel way. There is no surprise to me when ISIS members behead people. They have too much anger inside themselves. At the moment they lost the hope, they saw a light (ISIS). It's a bad light but they'll fight till the end for it.
    In Syria, there are many youngers who want to join ISIS.

    Still, it is without a question how people from Europe (muslims and non muslims) joined the battle.
    While beheading people, ISIS is sending the message with an UK citizen.
    All Europe and world was shocked how ISIS got so many foreign fighters and most of them came from most civilized countries (like UK, France, USA, Canada etc.).
    Most of these people left a very good job behind. Most of them were doctors, dentists, financiers. Most of them left their children behind.
    The West and US have been in quiet so far because indeed there really is so less information about ISIS.
    Main threat is that here around us might be a lot of jihadists and unfortunately we can never figure that out. Might be your doctor, your dentist, your teacher, your fire worker etc.

    Fact is, ISIS can't be destroyed only with a military plan.


    OK.....let's see now. The CIA says ISIS has three times as many troops as they thought.

    And this genius makes the claim"
    Rear Adm. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, said Friday that the increased estimates won't alter how the United States approaches ISIS, a group that he insisted "nobody has underestimated."
    One - three times as many fighters and NO CHANGE in strategy?

    Two - They have NOT underestimated them?

    Oh.....yeah, you're in good hands.
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    Re: How foreign fighters are swelling ISIS ranks in startling numbers

    When the unemployment rate in Iraq is over 15%, 50% higher than what we called a "depression level" during our last recession, and no gov't help (or security) in sight it just may enhance the appeal of this sort of gang activity. Those elites in charge of the oil revenue (or foreign aid) are not exactly hurt by what the "instability in the region" does to their oil profits (or foreign aid).
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: How foreign fighters are swelling ISIS ranks in startling numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    How foreign fighters are swelling ISIS ranks - CNN.com



    Within few months they gained so much territories, so much victories and now so many fighters within themselves.
    And considering how they transform Raqqa, they seem to be very serious when they say that they're there to establish an Islamic State.
    If ISIS progress by this way, 3 years and just bombing won't have any effect imo.

    Of course there are many reasons to believe that ISIS wouldn't be such this, if West wouldn't mess up that region with Libya and Iraq, however it's time to leave it to the past with this kind of ISIS in front.
    I do remember all those prisons break from Iraq, Syria, Libya, Lebanon, Tunisia etc etc, and I had the feeling something big was being prepared on that time.
    Most of the prisoners who escaped from those countries were not terrorist but just suspected as terrorist and were treated in a very cruel way. There is no surprise to me when ISIS members behead people. They have too much anger inside themselves. At the moment they lost the hope, they saw a light (ISIS). It's a bad light but they'll fight till the end for it.
    In Syria, there are many youngers who want to join ISIS.

    Still, it is without a question how people from Europe (muslims and non muslims) joined the battle.
    While beheading people, ISIS is sending the message with an UK citizen.
    All Europe and world was shocked how ISIS got so many foreign fighters and most of them came from most civilized countries (like UK, France, USA, Canada etc.).
    Most of these people left a very good job behind. Most of them were doctors, dentists, financiers. Most of them left their children behind.
    The West and US have been in quiet so far because indeed there really is so less information about ISIS.
    Main threat is that here around us might be a lot of jihadists and unfortunately we can never figure that out. Might be your doctor, your dentist, your teacher, your fire worker etc.

    Fact is, ISIS can't be destroyed only with a military plan.
    It doesn't matter to me how many people have joined ISIS as long as they stay in their region, and they will. Numbers mean nothing on this side of the ocean. All of ISIS couldn't make it through 10 miles of Texas on a Saturday night.










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    Re: How foreign fighters are swelling ISIS ranks in startling numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    With the US and Saudis on their knees taking deep breaths and blowing hard at the base of the fire, what is there to expect but a bigger hotter fire. The POLICY in the ME is destabilisation!
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    Re: How foreign fighters are swelling ISIS ranks in startling numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It doesn't matter to me how many people have joined ISIS as long as they stay in their region, and they will. Numbers mean nothing on this side of the ocean. All of ISIS couldn't make it through 10 miles of Texas on a Saturday night.
    But, that doesnt mean they're not stupid enough to try. Many innocents would die in the provess, not to mention the negative effect such an attack would have on the country as a whole.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: How foreign fighters are swelling ISIS ranks in startling numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It doesn't matter to me how many people have joined ISIS as long as they stay in their region, and they will. Numbers mean nothing on this side of the ocean. All of ISIS couldn't make it through 10 miles of Texas on a Saturday night.


    Well you said it RT, as long as they stay in their region.....their not. Already they are spreading to Asia.

    Also Ansar al Sharia.....has moved west starting in Yemen and has spread from there to Libya.

    To top it off they have declared Benghazi an Islamic Emirate. While at the same time Boko Haram has the blessing of ISIL and will then pledge to the Invisible Sheik.

    Face the facts.....they are moving west. Towards the Atlantic and the Carribean.

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    Re: How foreign fighters are swelling ISIS ranks in startling numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    How foreign fighters are swelling ISIS ranks - CNN.com



    Within few months they gained so much territories, so much victories and now so many fighters within themselves.
    And considering how they transform Raqqa, they seem to be very serious when they say that they're there to establish an Islamic State.
    If ISIS progress by this way, 3 years and just bombing won't have any effect imo.

    Of course there are many reasons to believe that ISIS wouldn't be such this, if West wouldn't mess up that region with Libya and Iraq, however it's time to leave it to the past with this kind of ISIS in front.
    I do remember all those prisons break from Iraq, Syria, Libya, Lebanon, Tunisia etc etc, and I had the feeling something big was being prepared on that time.
    Most of the prisoners who escaped from those countries were not terrorist but just suspected as terrorist and were treated in a very cruel way. There is no surprise to me when ISIS members behead people. They have too much anger inside themselves. At the moment they lost the hope, they saw a light (ISIS). It's a bad light but they'll fight till the end for it.
    In Syria, there are many youngers who want to join ISIS.

    Still, it is without a question how people from Europe (muslims and non muslims) joined the battle.
    While beheading people, ISIS is sending the message with an UK citizen.
    All Europe and world was shocked how ISIS got so many foreign fighters and most of them came from most civilized countries (like UK, France, USA, Canada etc.).
    Most of these people left a very good job behind. Most of them were doctors, dentists, financiers. Most of them left their children behind.
    The West and US have been in quiet so far because indeed there really is so less information about ISIS.
    Main threat is that here around us might be a lot of jihadists and unfortunately we can never figure that out. Might be your doctor, your dentist, your teacher, your fire worker etc.

    Fact is, ISIS can't be destroyed only with a military plan.


    Heya Coin this is what Al Jazeera had put out.....back in August. The estimates we say in Iraq now have been validated. Also our people have stated we don't have much intel inside Syria. IMO they are way off the mark thinking 30k is all between both.

    If this is the case.....then whatever boots on the ground will be walking into a bigger hornets nest.


    Islamic State 'has 50,000 fighters in Syria'

    The Islamic State group has an army of more than 50,000 fighters in Syria, and recruited 6,000 people in the last month, a monitoring group has said. "July saw the largest recruitment since the group appeared in Syria in 2013, with more than 6,000 new fighters," he said.

    "The number of IS fighters has passed 50,000 in Syria, including 20,000 non-Syrians," he said. Al Jazeera cannot verify the observatory's figures. However, an Islamic State source backed the statement and told Al Jazeera that the group also had 30,000 fighters in Iraq. Abdel Rahman said the new recruits in Syria included more than 1,000 foreign fighters from Chechnya, China, Europe and Arab countries. He said most had entered Syria from Turkey. Other recruits included defectors from the ranks of other armed opposition groups, including 200 from the al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria, the Nusra Front.....snip~

    Islamic State 'has 50,000 fighters in Syria' - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

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    Re: How foreign fighters are swelling ISIS ranks in startling numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well you said it RT, as long as they stay in their region.....their not. Already they are spreading to Asia.

    Also Ansar al Sharia.....has moved west starting in Yemen and has spread from there to Libya.

    To top it off they have declared Benghazi an Islamic Emirate. While at the same time Boko Haram has the blessing of ISIL and will then pledge to the Invisible Sheik.

    Face the facts.....they are moving west. Towards the Atlantic and the Carribean.
    My only concern at the present is Pakistan. No one wants radical Islamist to have a nuke. Beyond that radical Islam is going to have to be defeated internally unless the plan is "kill everybody and let God sort them out".

    You well know, my friend, that in asymmetric warfare, whiz bang weapons are awesome but they cannot win the war. We cannot drone ISIS into submission. Never happen. There is a point where whiz bang works against us as it becomes the great recruiter for the other side. Ain't no way the West can bomb ISIS into oblivion.

    As far as I am concerned as long as the West keeps ISIS out of Pakistan and trains/provides support for regional nations it will be OK.










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