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How foreign fighters are swelling ISIS ranks in startling numbers

You want to beat ISIS, just make Dick Cheney president; cause everyone is scared of Dick Cheney. I think their little club would disbanded before he even took the oath. :lol:

We could then send in Halliburton to clean up the mess. :lamo

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No doubt some on the Left think he runs ISIS.
 
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It doesn't matter to me how many people have joined ISIS as long as they stay in their region, and they will.

No they won't. Foreign fighters go for a Tour and then typically go home.

Numbers mean nothing on this side of the ocean. All of ISIS couldn't make it through 10 miles of Texas on a Saturday night.

....are you arguing that Texan terrain is more difficult to traverse than the Iraqi desert, or are you arguing that we have our southern border zipped up tight?
 
No they won't. Foreign fighters go for a Tour and then typically go home.

And this is typical?

....are you arguing that Texan terrain is more difficult to traverse than the Iraqi desert, or are you arguing that we have our southern border zipped up tight?

Nope.
 
And this is typical?

:shrug: generally. Just because they want to get their Jihad on and impress all their buddies on Facebook doesn't mean they actually want to - you know - live in Syria.


Then what did you mean when you stated that "All of ISIS couldn't make it through 10 miles of Texas on a Saturday night.", given that ISIL has tens of thousands of bodies, and everything from AK-47's to tanks. ?
 
It doesn't matter where they come from. Kill them all, wherever they show themselves or present a target for aircraft. And force the people who are sheltering them in cities choose between turning them out, or being considered hostile and subject to bombing themselves. So few jihadists could never control so many times more people, unless a lot of those people were abetting them.
 
:shrug: generally. Just because they want to get their Jihad on and impress all their buddies on Facebook doesn't mean they actually want to - you know - live in Syria.

Then what did you mean when you stated that "All of ISIS couldn't make it through 10 miles of Texas on a Saturday night.", given that ISIL has tens of thousands of bodies, and everything from AK-47's to tanks. ?

Hyperbole, CP, but not much. ISIL will never invade the US. There are enough troops and big things that go boom in Texas alone to stop all of ISIL if, for an example, they were to make a mad rush across the border (hyperbole). Their numbers don't threaten the U.S. proper. Beyond Pakistan's nuke what should concern us is that they are able to recruit their numbers so rapidly.

We are not at war with Islam. It is to their distinct advantage to make it appear that we are.
 
Hyperbole, CP, but not much. ISIL will never invade the US. There are enough troops and big things that go boom in Texas alone to stop all of ISIL if, for an example, they were to make a mad rush across the border (hyperbole). Their numbers don't threaten the U.S. proper. Beyond Pakistan's nuke what should concern us is that they are able to recruit their numbers so rapidly.

We are not at war with Islam. It is to their distinct advantage to make it appear that we are.
Why would ISL "make a mad rush across the border"? Isn't it possible they would be more discrete in order to fit in?
 
Hyperbole, CP, but not much. ISIL will never invade the US. There are enough troops and big things that go boom in Texas alone to stop all of ISIL if, for an example, they were to make a mad rush across the border (hyperbole). Their numbers don't threaten the U.S. proper. Beyond Pakistan's nuke what should concern us is that they are able to recruit their numbers so rapidly.

ISIL as you know does not threaten the US via overt invasion, but rather covert insertion preceding attack. The idea that they couldn't make it 10 miles is and remains hyperbole. What is not hyperbole is to either point that out or point out how they are armed.
 
Why would ISL "make a mad rush across the border"? Isn't it possible they would be more discrete in order to fit in?

"...if, for an example, they were to make a mad rush across the border (hyperbole)."
 
ISIL as you know does not threaten the US via overt invasion, but rather covert insertion preceding attack. The idea that they couldn't make it 10 miles is and remains hyperbole. What is not hyperbole is to either point that out or point out how they are armed.

Don't we both know that our presence in the region will eventually escalate? Surgical airstrikes are at times helpful but they cannot get the job done. We have droned how many al Qaeda No. 2s to death?

We can train and arm regional ISIL opposition, but it is damn difficult to know that who we train and arm today won't be ISIL allied in a few more months. I think we are going to have to do that and hope for the best. ISIL is going to work overtime to try to force us into a ground war. It's pure asymmetric warfare deja vu all over again. Much of any overt actions we take can hurt us as much as help us. Bombing the hell out of soft targets and civilian is a win for them. We have guarded Muslim support overall throughout the world. The West cannot afford to lose that. ISIL would like nothing better for it to get to the point were Westerners are at great risk in all Muslim nations or nations with high Islamic populations.

At present, and I think you agree, there is no solution. The will not be one single solution. We have been ****ing ourselves into this corner for a while.
 
Are you really suggesting that the radicalization of British muslims is a paranoid fantasy? Really? I mean really? REALLY?

Well, are you really, REALLY, suggesting that European immigration policies haven't given rise to Muslim extremism? I already know that you deny that US policies have been beneficial to militant Islamic groups in the ME.
 
ISIL as you know does not threaten the US via overt invasion, but rather covert insertion preceding attack. The idea that they couldn't make it 10 miles is and remains hyperbole. What is not hyperbole is to either point that out or point out how they are armed.

Yes, those little guys are armed comparably to the US military. You, and those of your mentality provoke the very trouble that you pretend to want to restrain. And while criticising potential Islamic State covert activity, you have repeatedly denied, excused or ignored US covert activity far, FAR more damaging then anything we've seen from the Islamic State so far.
 
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Don't we both know that our presence in the region will eventually escalate?
No, it was the absence of troops in the area which created the escalation. The war which was won already will have to be fought again, but perhaps the next president will not be so stupid as Obama, and troops will remain in order to maintain some stability.
 
Don't we both know that our presence in the region will eventually escalate? Surgical airstrikes are at times helpful but they cannot get the job done. We have droned how many al Qaeda No. 2s to death?

Zero. The #3 guy is usually who we get, although given the way their hierarchy functions, there are multiple #3's at any given tie.

We can train and arm regional ISIL opposition, but it is damn difficult to know that who we train and arm today won't be ISIL allied in a few more months.

Quite possibly. The window for a successful program might very well have closed.

I think we are going to have to do that and hope for the best. ISIL is going to work overtime to try to force us into a ground war. It's pure asymmetric warfare deja vu all over again. Much of any overt actions we take can hurt us as much as help us. Bombing the hell out of soft targets and civilian is a win for them.

Hm. I doubt we're going to be bombing a lot of civilians any time soon - though the Iraqis have some problems with that. As for killing civilians and the negative IO effects that come from that.... it would take quite a lot for us to match ISIL.

We have guarded Muslim support overall throughout the world. The West cannot afford to lose that.

We don't have guarded Muslim support. We are taking advantage of Muslim governments who oppose ISIL.

ISIL would like nothing better for it to get to the point were Westerners are at great risk in all Muslim nations or nations with high Islamic populations.

.......as far as the ME is concerned, we're pretty much already there. North Africa as well, to varying degrees.

At present, and I think you agree, there is no solution. The will not be one single solution. We have been ****ing ourselves into this corner for a while.

There is indeed a solution. Two solutions, in fact. One which wrecks ISIL, and one long term solution that would destroy not just ISIL, but Islamist Fundamentalism. But nobody is interested in it.
 
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Within few months they gained so much territories, so much victories and now so many fighters within themselves.
And considering how they transform Raqqa, they seem to be very serious when they say that they're there to establish an Islamic State.
If ISIS progress by this way, 3 years and just bombing won't have any effect imo.

Of course there are many reasons to believe that ISIS wouldn't be such this, if West wouldn't mess up that region with Libya and Iraq, however it's time to leave it to the past with this kind of ISIS in front.
I do remember all those prisons break from Iraq, Syria, Libya, Lebanon, Tunisia etc etc, and I had the feeling something big was being prepared on that time.
Most of the prisoners who escaped from those countries were not terrorist but just suspected as terrorist and were treated in a very cruel way. There is no surprise to me when ISIS members behead people. They have too much anger inside themselves. At the moment they lost the hope, they saw a light (ISIS). It's a bad light but they'll fight till the end for it.
In Syria, there are many youngers who want to join ISIS.

Still, it is without a question how people from Europe (muslims and non muslims) joined the battle.
While beheading people, ISIS is sending the message with an UK citizen.
All Europe and world was shocked how ISIS got so many foreign fighters and most of them came from most civilized countries (like UK, France, USA, Canada etc.).
Most of these people left a very good job behind. Most of them were doctors, dentists, financiers. Most of them left their children behind.
The West and US have been in quiet so far because indeed there really is so less information about ISIS.
Main threat is that here around us might be a lot of jihadists and unfortunately we can never figure that out. Might be your doctor, your dentist, your teacher, your fire worker etc.

Fact is, ISIS can't be destroyed only with a military plan.

I think Democrats er progressives brainwash these kids with their pro-Islam/Sharia Law nonsense...

Ironically they're fighting for the most conservative religion on the planet.

The Kurds and Northern Alliance want nothing to do with their savagery - yet young US citizens want to cut heads? The funny part is who will ultimately get their heads cut?

We going to blame Fox News for this mishap too?
 
I think Democrats er progressives brainwash these kids with their pro-Islam/Sharia Law nonsense...

Ironically they're fighting for the most conservative religion on the planet.

The Kurds and Northern Alliance want nothing to do with their savagery - yet young US citizens want to cut heads? The funny part is who will ultimately get their heads cut?

We going to blame Fox News for this mishap too?
The Left, always on the wrong side of history, is now marching with Muslims while continuing to denounce Christianity and Israel. What could possibly go wrong?
 
Don't we both know that our presence in the region will eventually escalate? Surgical airstrikes are at times helpful but they cannot get the job done. We have droned how many al Qaeda No. 2s to death?
It would only get worse if the troops were removed, as George Bush warned. Bush in 2007 delivered eerily accurate warning about Iraq unrest | Fox News

We can train and arm regional ISIL opposition, but it is damn difficult to know that who we train and arm today won't be ISIL allied in a few more months. I think we are going to have to do that and hope for the best. ISIL is going to work overtime to try to force us into a ground war. It's pure asymmetric warfare deja vu all over again. Much of any overt actions we take can hurt us as much as help us. Bombing the hell out of soft targets and civilian is a win for them. We have guarded Muslim support overall throughout the world. The West cannot afford to lose that. ISIL would like nothing better for it to get to the point were Westerners are at great risk in all Muslim nations or nations with high Islamic populations.
The west has to move and and actually try to win, not do as they have done in WWI, Vietnam, the first Gulf War, and when the troops left Iraq. They have to be defeated and troops need to remain, just have they have done in South Korea, Germany, and throughout the world. And the US has to start electing real leaders, not social experimenters.
At present, and I think you agree, there is no solution. The will not be one single solution. We have been ****ing ourselves into this corner for a while.
And that is because the US has been reluctant to win. They would rather be liked instead, to show what nice guys they are despite their power. The enemies, and friends, believe this to be foolish and naive. Much like Clinton dropping a couple of bombs on an aspirin factory in the middle of nowhere. Or Obama thinking he could win non Americans over with his narcissistic BS. If the US can get serious this would stop pretty quick.
 
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