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Adrian Peterson indicted in child injury case in Texas

Peter King said:
But the NFL did not suspend him or anything, I think his team benched him (maybe to protect their own image or to protect the player from verbal abuse).
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So, now he is off the roster because he was charged.

But he has not been convicted and it is innocent until PROVEN guilty.

So what if this case drags on for a year and it turns out he is innocent? So he misses a whole year of playing for doing nothing wrong (in this example).

This is ridiculous.

Until he is found guilty (if he is), he should be allowed to play and left on the roster.


Also, say there is a playoff game and the other team cook up a scheme to get the opposing star QB out by paying a family to invent a charge. Like, the family accuses this QB of molesting their toddler (even though it is totally untrue)? So, word gets out, the team is forced by public relations to bench him for the game and the team loses as the backup QB plays like sh!t.
Then the charges are quietly dropped after the game. The family gets a big payoff, the winning owner gets millions more for advancing to the next round of playoffs (especially if they play it at home) and the star QB's reputation is permanently damaged - even though he did nothing wrong.
Is this likely? No. But it is now possible. And with playoff games worth millions to team owners in additional revenue - it is potentially, financially beneficial (if done right) to do such a thing.

And this could go for almost any sport (to a lesser financial extent).


I will say it again, innocent until proven guilty.
 
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From what I've read, Peterson used a "switch" (tree branch) to discipline his four year old son in Texas. Apparently Peterson stuffed the switch leaves in the toddlers mouth. The boy suffered wounds to his back, buttocks, ankles, legs, scrotum, and defensive wounds to the hands. This was all discovered when the mother took the boy to a Minneapolis doctor for a scheduled visit. The doctor considered the wounds to be child abuse and a state investigator agreed. Police in Texas were notified and an investigation commenced. Peterson has now been indicted by a grand jury in Montgomery County, Texas for reckless or negligent injury to a child (a felony charge). The boy told police that Peterson threatened to hit him in the face if he told anyone and that there is a "whupping room" in the house. The Minnesota Vikings have deactivated Peterson pending review.

Peterson is one of the strongest players in the NFL. Administering such a whipping to a four year old child? Unconscionable and vicious.
 
Simpleχity;1063751583 said:
From what I've read, Peterson used a "switch" (tree branch) to discipline his four year old son in Texas. Apparently Peterson stuffed the switch leaves in the toddlers mouth. The boy suffered wounds to his back, buttocks, ankles, legs, scrotum, and defensive wounds to the hands. This was all discovered when the mother took the boy to a Minneapolis doctor for a scheduled visit. The doctor considered the wounds to be child abuse and a state investigator agreed. Police in Texas were notified and an investigation commenced. Peterson has now been indicted by a grand jury in Montgomery County, Texas for reckless or negligent injury to a child (a felony charge). The boy told police that Peterson threatened to hit him in the face if he told anyone and that there is a "whupping room" in the house. The Minnesota Vikings have deactivated Peterson pending review.

Peterson is one of the strongest players in the NFL. Administering such a whipping to a four year old child? Unconscionable and vicious.
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1) I highly doubt he is one of the strongest players - in terms of upper body strength - in the NFL. Though I am sure he is plenty strong.

2) You wouldn't want to wait until the verdict is in before condemning him would you?
 
DA60 said:
2) You wouldn't want to wait until the verdict is in before condemning him would you?
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Peterson has already admitted administering the whipping in his deposition. I imagine his lawyer(s) will seek a plea bargain to a lesser charge rather than contest his culpability in court.
 
In most every other business in the public domain, teaching and police being prime examples, when a person is charged with a serious crime they are removed from "active duty", usually with pay, and assigned other duties until such time as their charges make their way through court. If acquitted, they return to their jobs - if convicted, they are always fired if jail time is involved and often fired if no jail time if the conviction relates to something serious.

To those who think Peterson shouldn't be suspended here, I'd say you're wrong - Peterson should be sidelined until this matter is concluded.
 
DA60 said:
So, now he is off the roster because he was charged.

But he has not been convicted and it is innocent until PROVEN guilty.

So what if this case drags on for a year and it turns out he is innocent? So he misses a whole year of playing for doing nothing wrong (in this example).

This is ridiculous.

Until he is found guilty (if he is), he should be allowed to play and left on the roster.


Also, say there is a playoff game and the other team cook up a scheme to get the opposing star QB out by paying a family to invent a charge. Like, the family accuses this QB of molesting their toddler (even though it is totally untrue)? So, word gets out, the team is forced by public relations to bench him for the game and the team loses as the backup QB plays like sh!t.
Then the charges are quietly dropped after the game. The family gets a big payoff, the winning owner gets millions more for advancing to the next round of playoffs (especially if they play it at home) and the star QB's reputation is permanently damaged - even though he did nothing wrong.
Is this likely? No. But it is now possible. And with playoff games worth millions to team owners in additional revenue - it is potentially, financially beneficial (if done right) to do such a thing.

And this could go for almost any sport (to a lesser financial extent).


I will say it again, innocent until proven guilty.
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I am not saying it is logical, I am not saying it is fair or unfair. All I am stating is the facts, namely that his team has chosen not to let him play tomorrow. They might have done it because of a week of bad media for the NFL and their players, who knows.

I think the club may have done him a favor by not allowing him/forcing him to play tomorrow. They may have done it to protect their own name.

And your imagination is running away a bit with your story IMHO.
 
Simpleχity;1063751596 said:
Peterson has already admitted administering the whipping in his deposition. I imagine his lawyer(s) will seek a plea bargain to a lesser charge rather than contest his culpability in court.
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That is not a guilty verdict.

Unlike you, I don't judge people until ALL the facts are in AND I generally leave it to the courts to decide...not the media.
 
northwinds said:
Can't give you the exact odds.........but I would advise you to not bet on it in Vegas.......odds are greater that I will be on a Carribean vacation in the near future. Have a nice day.
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You must have taken some real **** from 'the fellas' for drafting Aryan Foster. I mean...who knew...right?
 
DA60 said:
Unlike you, I don't judge people until ALL the facts are in AND I generally leave it to the courts to decide...not the media.
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I would usually reserve judgement. However, the boy admitted it. Peterson has admitted it. Peterson's attorney has admitted it.

In light of such public admissions, I think anyone can register comment unfettered by any notion of predisposition.

Speaking of which, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Peterson's corporate sponsors also begin to comment via terminated contracts.
 
VanceMack said:
You must have taken some real **** from 'the fellas' for drafting Aryan Foster. I mean...who knew...right?
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I'll give you funny.........but I took Gerhart instead
 
Simpleχity;1063751708 said:
I would usually reserve judgement. However, the boy admitted it. Peterson has admitted it. Peterson's attorney has admitted it.

In light of such public admissions, I think anyone can register comment unfettered by any notion of predisposition.

Speaking of which, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Peterson's corporate sponsors also begin to comment via terminated contracts.
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Everyone admits that he did it.

Anytime the skin is broken, child beating enters a entirely different realm.
This case is already there.
 
Simpleχity;1063751583 said:
From what I've read, Peterson used a "switch" (tree branch) to discipline his four year old son in Texas. Apparently Peterson stuffed the switch leaves in the toddlers mouth. The boy suffered wounds to his back, buttocks, ankles, legs, scrotum, and defensive wounds to the hands. This was all discovered when the mother took the boy to a Minneapolis doctor for a scheduled visit. The doctor considered the wounds to be child abuse and a state investigator agreed. Police in Texas were notified and an investigation commenced. Peterson has now been indicted by a grand jury in Montgomery County, Texas for reckless or negligent injury to a child (a felony charge). The boy told police that Peterson threatened to hit him in the face if he told anyone and that there is a "whupping room" in the house. The Minnesota Vikings have deactivated Peterson pending review.

Peterson is one of the strongest players in the NFL. Administering such a whipping to a four year old child? Unconscionable and vicious.
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I have always like Peterson as a player but this is unacceptable and just plain disgusting.

That poor little innocent baby boy that had this happen to him by his own father, I just want to give him a big hug and hold him tight.
 
Buck Ewer said:
Neither would wife beating ...
WTF is your point?
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Yes it would have. Beating your wife hasn't been a social norm for a long time. My point is, in many parts of the country and especially in certain cultures (African Americans in particular), spanking with a switch, belt, whatever has been an acceptable practice until very recently. In talking about this with people who grew up in these spanking households, they are not as shocked and up in arms about what AP did because, while this was a pretty severe spanking, it isn't much different than what we were used to. Social norms are different in different parts of this country.And those social norms matter. Morality is relative. If the law was extremely clear on the subject, it would be one thing, but its not. If you grew up getting hit with a switch when you were bad, unless someone tells you otherwise, you'll likely think that's an acceptable parenting strategy. He should probably get a warning for going overboard, but unless the child suffered some permanent damage or the law expressly states you can't spank with objects, I am not going to label this guy a monstrous child abuser.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm sorry to hear that. Fortunately, I and many others did not suffer such. Even more fortunately, society has progressed to the point where many would-be abusers have heard and understand the impacts of physical abuse against children.

I hope that you don't still have problems to get through because of your abuse, and I hope you have or will fully recover from being treated like an animal by animals.
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I think I'm doing okay.. at least my parole officer says so.
 
Simpleχity;1063751708 said:
I would usually reserve judgement. However, the boy admitted it. Peterson has admitted it. Peterson's attorney has admitted it.

In light of such public admissions, I think anyone can register comment unfettered by any notion of predisposition.

Speaking of which, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Peterson's corporate sponsors also begin to comment via terminated contracts.
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For the last time, it does not matter what he admitted.

a) you/I do not know ALL the facts.

and b) no verdict is in and he is innocent until proven guilty by a court...no matter what he or his lawyers supposedly said.

I am not going to discuss this any more; you want to convict him now...fine.
I will wait for the actual verdict.

When he is convicted of a crime in a court of law...only then will I consider him guilty of a crime.


We are done here.

Good day.
 
I haven't read this guy's contract, but I'm sure it says somewhere he can be fired for doing certain things that make the team look bad in the public eye. And I doubt very much that nothing short of actual conviction of a crime will do the trick. A professional sports association doesn't have to use the same rigorous standards of proof in contracts with its players that apply to them in court.
 
Words cannot describe how sickening this is.

I hope they throw the book (a very big one) at Peterson.
 
DA60 said:
So, now he is off the roster because he was charged.

But he has not been convicted and it is innocent until PROVEN guilty.
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Well he did leave those marks on the child. He admitted to that.
 
District attorney: Adrian Peterson 'exceeded' standards
September 13, 2014

Minnesota Vikings star Adrian Peterson used physical discipline on his son that was considered "not reasonable" by Texas community standards, a Texas prosecutor said Saturday. Based on the evidence from the incident in May, a grand jury in Montgomery County, Texas, indicted Peterson this week on a charge of injury to a child. Peterson turned himself in early Saturday morning and posted a $15,000 bond.

"Obviously, parents are entitled to discipline their children as they see fit, except for when that discipline exceeds what the community would say is reasonable," said Phil Grant, first assistant district attorney in Montgomery County, Texas. "And so a grand jury having indicted this case, looked at the injuries that were inflicted upon this child and determined that that discipline was not reasonable and did not reflect the community standards of what was reasonable discipline."

USAToday
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NFL reviewing Adrian Peterson under personal-conduct policy
September 13, 2014

The NFL has confirmed that Adrian Peterson, who was indicted on a charge of injury to a child for striking his 4-year-old son, could be disciplined under the league’s personal-conduct policy. “This will be reviewed under the NFL’s personal conduct policy,” the league said in a brief statement.

NBCSports
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No trial date has been set as of yet. Peterson faces a possible two year jail sentence if convicted in court. What will almost certainly occur pre-trial is that Peterson's defense lawyer will bargain for a guilty plea to a lesser charge. If convicted in court on the original count, Peterson would probably avoid jail and be sentenced to supervisory probation along with anger management classes and family counseling. Peterson is being represented by Houston attorney Rusty Hardin who also represented former baseball pitching ace Roger Clemens in court.
 
ecofarm said:
Gold digging doesn't work anyway because the doctor reported it, not the mother.
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Good point, but let me ask, why was the child brought to a doctor? The injuries look abusive and excessive to me, but they seem to be superficial wounds that would eventually heal by themselves. My guess is that some of the cuts were left in sensitive areas where the mother wanted a doctor's advice. Or perhaps she was looking for some type of pain relief for her son. In any even, if she was a gold digger--as some have claimed--she would have went directly to the police.

This is a sad story, indeed. I am one of rare opinion that hand spanking is not necessarily a bad thing when it comes to administering punishment to a child. But using a object that breaks the skin and inflicting it on sensitive parts is way beyond discipline. That sad part is, I don't think Peterson is a bad person for doing this. I just think it's all he knows. And judging from interviews, he does not strike me as the sharpest tool in the shed. I hope he gets the help he needs.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm sorry to hear that. Fortunately, I and many others did not suffer such. Even more fortunately, society has progressed to the point where many would-be abusers have heard and understand the impacts of physical abuse against children.

I hope that you don't still have problems to get through because of your abuse, and I hope you have or will fully recover from being treated like an animal by animals.
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Ya Know you post seems a little sanctimonious to me. While the photos show a severe punishment, it is hardly appropriate to call it, with such certainty, child abuse. What if the child did indeed deserve punishment for a behavior that was more potentially dangerous than the spanking? Could this discipline save his life? Or even create a disincentive to much greater problems.

What if the boy punched a girl and knocked her down? What if he was caught stealing pills?

I agree the punishment was severe and I do not condone using a switch, however this is not an injury, it is a painful and unfortunate form of discipline.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm sorry to hear that. Fortunately, I and many others did not suffer such. Even more fortunately, society has progressed to the point where many would-be abusers have heard and understand the impacts of physical abuse against children.

I hope that you don't still have problems to get through because of your abuse, and I hope you have or will fully recover from being treated like an animal by animals.
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After hearing a few more details on the news; I change my mind. This may have been abuse. Hearing that the child fears his father, and that there "is a spanking room" sounds like this may not be selective punishment, but a frequent form of brutal treatment.
 
Simpleχity;1063754539 said:
What will almost certainly occur pre-trial is that Peterson's defense lawyer will bargain for a guilty plea to a lesser charge. If convicted in court on the original count, Peterson would probably avoid jail and be sentenced to supervisory probation along with anger management classes and family counseling.
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In other words, the usual celebrity punishment: A slap on the wrist and a "Don't do it again".
 
VanceMack said:
Times have definitely changed. Getting a whuppin with a 'switch' wouldnt have registered a complaint not to long ago.
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My dad spanked me with a belt when I was little, and yes sometimes it left marks. However still to this day he is the most patient man I've ever met. I've never heard him raise his voice, and when he spanked us it was never in anger. I'm not traumatized at all!! In the same breath, this little boy had a bruise to the groin area which tells me that he got carried away with his discipline.
 
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