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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Backwards thinking...
    I am endorsing the repression of the state ENDORSING ONE RELIGION OVER ALL OTHERS. That is the spirit and intent of the constitution.
    It isn't endorsing a religion, in this case it is telling people they can't express their religion. That is a violation of the 1st Amendment.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I respect the rights of atheists to be such, and find that most are quite decent human beings with whom I get along very well. I would hesitate, therefore, to lump all atheists together, as you seem to, and accuse them of having no respect for liberty.

    I would say, however, that there is a fringe of litigious-minded people out there, who happen to be atheists, who really do go out of their way to redefine "ridiculous."

    In the case of my OP, the players on the team chose to honor a fallen teammate with the symbol of the cross - mainly because the individual who died was devoutly Christian. In my mind, that is a very thoughtful gesture, and one meant to honor who he was and what he stood for in life. I think for anyone to want to take away their ability to grieve as they see fit is not only wrong, but also cruel and not productive.

    What did this lawyer gain from his victory?

    Sometimes, we, as a society, take political correctness to absurd lengths. This is one of those times.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It isn't endorsing a religion, in this case it is telling people they can't express their religion. That is a violation of the 1st Amendment.
    Allowing the religious expression to be on the official uniform is tacit endorsement, and any endorsement is unconstitutional.
    No one is stopping the team from wearing personal crosses or any un-official expression of their religious preferences.
    It's when it is on the school uniform of a state run school that it steps on the constitution.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    I would leave the cross on my helmet and dare someone to do something about it.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Allowing the religious expression to be on the official uniform is tacit endorsement, and any endorsement is unconstitutional.
    No one is stopping the team from wearing personal crosses or any un-official expression of their religious preferences.
    It's when it is on the school uniform of a state run school that it steps on the constitution.
    The players have a right to wear thosr crosses, if they choose.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Seriously, the anti-Religion fervor has reached peak stupid. It's like atheists are afraid they will accidentally become Christians.
    It's sheer idiocy and I imagine has something more to do with insecurity and being picked on too much as a child than any true concern over religious symbols.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I would leave the cross on my helmet and dare someone to do something about it.
    Under the circumstances you would probably be benched.
    The school administration made the decision to pull the crosses.
    It was not forced.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The players have a right to wear thosr crosses, if they choose.
    Not on the official school uniform.
    The school administration saw that, and acted appropriately and accordingly.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Allowing the religious expression to be on the official uniform is tacit endorsement, and any endorsement is unconstitutional.
    No one is stopping the team from wearing personal crosses or any un-official expression of their religious preferences.
    It's when it is on the school uniform of a state run school that it steps on the constitution.
    No, it's not. It is explicit endorsement of the dead teammate.

    Be we aren't going to get anywhere since you are so hardline in your anti-religion that you support ripping out headstones of dead soldiers...
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It's sheer idiocy and I imagine has something more to do with insecurity and being picked on too much as a child than any true concern over religious symbols.
    The concern is over constitutionally guaranteed freedoms...
    ...not religious symbols.

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