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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    Yes, there is a wonderful library where I live, and over the past fifteen or twenty years they have gotten for me hundreds of books on the topic of separation of church and state....all for free, I don't even have to pay postage. Since you are just starting out on this learning adventure, I recommend the books written by Rob Boston. They are easy to read for beginning thinkers.
    Thanks. I'll be sure to watch for it.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You are endorsing the STATE REPRESSION OF RELIGIOUS EXPRESSION which is WHAT THE 1ST AMENDMENT WAS EXPRESSLY WRITTEN TO PREVENT.
    A football team is not the federal government. False analogy. It the players are not forced to wear the cross than you can be offended if you want to. It seems many people are looking for a reason to be offended. Not my problem.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    That is your opinion, a poorly informed one indeed. Tyranny and oppression are the result of religion and government becoming entwined.
    How is my opinion poorly informed? I am conforming to the Constitution, you are not. You cannot twist the words to suit your ideology. Wearing a cross emblem to honor fallen teammates does not equate, "religion and government becoming entwined". That is absurd, and you know it. Libs only use this stuff to advance an agenda.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    A football team is not the federal government. False analogy. It the players are not forced to wear the cross than you can be offended if you want to. It seems many people are looking for a reason to be offended. Not my problem.
    I used to believe this too. But I am becoming more and more convinced that these events are simply used as opportunities to advance the lib agenda of tyranny and oppression. As Rahm Emanuel said, "never let a good crisis go to waste".

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I used to believe this too. But I am becoming more and more convinced that these events are simply used as opportunities to advance the lib agenda of tyranny and oppression.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    Separation of church and state is essential for citizens to have freedom of religion. Once government is involved in endorsing or encouraging any sect of religion, freedom is destroyed and one sect or another is given an advantage or disadvantage. Freedom of religion relies on equal access to religious expression, once government provides a forum for one group's particular expression, that equal access is destroyed. Try reading When the Religious Right is Wrong and Close Encounters with the Religious Right by Rob Boston and you will begin to understand.
    The goverment isn't involved, here.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I used to believe this too. But I am becoming more and more convinced that these events are simply used as opportunities to advance the lib agenda of tyranny and oppression. As Rahm Emanuel said, "never let a good crisis go to waste".
    I agree. But these tactics only work on the weak, and we have way too many of them these days. By design of course, but still true.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    How is my opinion poorly informed? I am conforming to the Constitution, you are not. You cannot twist the words to suit your ideology. Wearing a cross emblem to honor fallen teammates does not equate, "religion and government becoming entwined". That is absurd, and you know it. Libs only use this stuff to advance an agenda.
    1. Is a religious symbol, for instance a cross, intended to respect an establishment of religion? 2. Is equipment owned by a state school and furnished to athletes for use in a state-sponsored activity considered to be government property? 3. Does the placement of said religious symbols on government property constitute an "entwining" of government and religion?

    I predict your answers will be: 1. Yes, and 2. Yes, and 3. Yes, BUT. The BUT will be followed by "it's not important", "it doesn't matter", "nobody cares", "it doesn't hurt anything", "it's just symbolic", "the majority wants it", "objectors only ____(fill in the blank)", all of which mean only that you don't care about the Constitutionality, you just want your way.

    You do know that there are other ways to honor fallen teammates, some have been mentioned, ways that do not involve using government property to express religious sentiments. It is clearly not a matter of mean ole constitutionalists simply being contrary. It is a matter of religionists having a feeling of entitlement, they are entitled to use anything to proclaim the dominance of their particular religion.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The goverment isn't involved, here.
    If it's a state university, then I'm afraid it is.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    If it's a state university, then I'm afraid it is.
    This is a choice made and funded by the players, not the university.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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