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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I don't mind at all, as long as those endorsing the crosses endorse all religious symbols on helmets as homages.
    Fine with me.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    No .
    The personal expression of their religious freedom ends with their personal attire. The uniform of the school team is NOT personal attire.
    If the University allowed the crosses to be worn as part of the UNIFORM they would be expressing a tacit approval of one particular religion over all others and it is their job as a state run SECULAR organization to see to it that doesn't happen.
    There are lots of appropriate means of expressing public grief without religious overtones...( RIP with initials, black arm-bands etc.)
    When Mohajir chose to use the deaths of these people as an excuse to promote his chosen religion, he crossed a bright line, for a state run school, and he should have known better.

    Using the dead as an excuse for this religious stunt is disgusting and reprehensible .
    please see the SCOTUS you are wrong. more so when all of the people involved agree. please show me the constitutional right to be offended and let it override someone else's right to free speech. ol yea it doesn't exist.

    nope they would be allowing the 1st amendment to take affect which prohibts the state from not allowing people to express their freedom of speech more so when it is all in agreement by the members involved.

    it wasn't a religious stunt the member of the team that died was a christian and they thought it would be a nice tribute for him and his father.
    1st amenedment of free speech overrides your offense. you can be offended all you want to you can't stamp out someone else's free speech because of it.

    nope their job as a state organization is to uphold the 1st amendment. they failed to do so. the football team would win this in court hands down.

    you don't get to pick what way someone chooses to honor someone else's death in a public forum they can do whatever they want 1st amendment says they can.

    students do not give up their 1st amendment rights just because they step into a public forum.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    I love how a 2,000 year old symbol of what most atheists say is a fake... threatens a minority of people so much they have to have it removed off helmets. Two little lines which intersect carry so much power even still.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    These militant atheists have failed at life. I pity them. And they don't have true respect for liberty, nor do they interpret the Constitution with integrity.
    Oh, please...if the deceased player had been Muslim and the team decided to honor him with the Star and Crescent, then the right-wing Christians would be up in arms about "Islamization." I've never seen one of these cases were the true concern was freedom of religion rather than assertion of Christian dominance.
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    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    As the article and myself have pointed out there are lots of other ways to pay a "thoughtful homage to the dead student" without bringing in any religious overtones.
    If the students felt it was so so important to wear religious symbols on their uniforms they should have had the fore-sight to apply to a religious school.
    So what you are endorsing is an active opposition to religious expression, which itself violates the 1st amendment.

    I guess you would also be in favor of removing these religious symbols from this public land?

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I'm just stating my opinion. I think it makes atheists look like assholes when this is what we worry about. Especially when it's used as a symbol of respect for someone that passed away. My stance remains the same. Don't use any tax dollars, and don't force anyone to wear them, and I just don't care.
    That's fine for you.
    But keep in mind that indifference promotes hubris.
    Who is to say that some teammates were not forced to some degree to wear the religious symbols?
    Put your self in the place of one of these kids who may be himself an atheist or who may have objections to the cross as a member of another religion. To NOT wear the cross would make them seem insensitive and and an uncaring team mate. He would have to wear the cross on his helmet to at least appear to be part of the team.
    The athletic department forced that on them at a secular school.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    That's fine for you.
    But keep in mind that indifference promotes hubris.
    Who is to say that some teammates were not forced to some degree to wear the religious symbols?
    Put your self in the place of one of these kids who may be himself an atheist or who may have objections to the cross as a member of another religion. To NOT wear the cross would make them seem insensitive and and an uncaring team mate. He would have to wear the cross on his helmet to at least appear to be part of the team.
    The athletic department forced that on them at a secular school.
    the athletic department had nothing to do with it neither did the coaches. this was done by the players themselves and the school or the athletic department was not invovled with the decision. you need to read more.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So what you are endorsing is an active opposition to religious expression, which itself violates the 1st amendment.

    I guess you would also be in favor of removing these religious symbols from this public land?

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    not only that but right to free speech.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    please see the SCOTUS you are wrong. more so when all of the people involved agree. please show me the constitutional right to be offended and let it override someone else's right to free speech. ol yea it doesn't exist.

    nope they would be allowing the 1st amendment to take affect which prohibts the state from not allowing people to express their freedom of speech more so when it is all in agreement by the members involved.

    it wasn't a religious stunt the member of the team that died was a christian and they thought it would be a nice tribute for him and his father.
    1st amenedment of free speech overrides your offense. you can be offended all you want to you can't stamp out someone else's free speech because of it.

    nope their job as a state organization is to uphold the 1st amendment. they failed to do so. the football team would win this in court hands down.

    you don't get to pick what way someone chooses to honor someone else's death in a public forum they can do whatever they want 1st amendment says they can.

    students do not give up their 1st amendment rights just because they step into a public forum.
    Helmets are not a public forum ... they are part of official school uniforms.
    Crosses around necks ...yes
    ...on unforms ...no.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I love how a 2,000 year old symbol of what most atheists say is a fake... threatens a minority of people so much they have to have it removed off helmets. Two little lines which intersect carry so much power even still.
    that is the irony of all ironies. that these people are so offended by something they say doesn't exist.
    obviously they believe it does exist somehow otherwise there is no need to be offended.

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