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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Were the dead team-mates crucified?
    If they were then I would understand putting the cross decals on their helmets.
    If they were not ... then the traditional black arm-band would be appropriate and called for to honor their dead on and off the field.
    A football game funded by the state is no place to promote christianity, and that is precisely what these crosses represented.
    The jackass who thought up this christian promotional stunt should be severely reprimanded.

    The judgement to remove the crosses was correct and justified.


    The Cross is a symbol of Christianity. The less stupid question to ask is "Was the student a devout Christian?"

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    So? As long as it was not forced upon players who did not want to wear a cross on their helmets I could care less. And I am an atheist.
    I'm an atheist and feel the same way. I don't want any tax dollars paying for any religious symbols in any way, but assuming that the team and the coach purchased these decals, or like the athletic association got donations to pay for them, I think they should be able to wear them.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The Cross is a symbol of Christianity. The less stupid question to ask is "Was the student a devout Christian?"
    No.
    The less stupid question would be to ask is this a state run institution or a private school.
    A christian cross on an official school uniform would be a tacit approval of one particular religion over all others.
    The administration saw the error in promoting one religion over all others by a secular school and they appropriately stopped the practice before it went any further.
    The decision to pull the crosses should be applauded ... the offer to have the crosses modified to plus signs was truly stupid.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    No.
    The less stupid question would be to ask is this a state run institution or a private school.
    A christian cross on an official school uniform would be a tacit approval of one particular religion over all others.
    The administration saw the error in promoting one religion over all others and they appropriately stopped the practice before it went any further.
    The decision to pull the crosses should be applauded ... the offer to have the crosses modified to plus signs was truly stupid.
    No it wouldn't. If the person that died was a devout Christian then it would be a thoughtful homage to the dead student, not an endorsement of any religion.

    Seriously, the anti-Religion fervor has reached peak stupid. It's like atheists are afraid they will accidentally become Christians.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I'm an atheist and feel the same way. I don't want any tax dollars paying for any religious symbols in any way, but assuming that the team and the coach purchased these decals, or like the athletic association got donations to pay for them, I think they should be able to wear them.
    No. The cost is not the issue.
    The helmets are part of the official school uniform at a state run school.
    If the team mates wanted to wear the decals on their faces that would be fine.
    On the helmets ... no.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I respect the rights of atheists to be such, and find that most are quite decent human beings with whom I get along very well. I would hesitate, therefore, to lump all atheists together, as you seem to, and accuse them of having no respect for liberty.
    He did specify "these militant athiests" there fore I don't think you can accuse him of lumping all together.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    No. The cost is not the issue.
    The helmets are part of the official school uniform at a state run school.
    If the team mates wanted to wear the decals on their faces that would be fine.
    On the helmets ... no.
    I'm just stating my opinion. I think it makes atheists look like assholes when this is what we worry about. Especially when it's used as a symbol of respect for someone that passed away. My stance remains the same. Don't use any tax dollars, and don't force anyone to wear them, and I just don't care.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No it wouldn't. If the person that died was a devout Christian then it would be a thoughtful homage to the dead student, not an endorsement of any religion.

    Seriously, the anti-Religion fervor has reached peak stupid. It's like atheists are afraid they will accidentally become Christians.
    As the article and myself have pointed out there are lots of other ways to pay a "thoughtful homage to the dead student" without bringing in any religious overtones.
    If the students felt it was so so important to wear religious symbols on their uniforms they should have had the fore-sight to apply to a religious school.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No it wouldn't. If the person that died was a devout Christian then it would be a thoughtful homage to the dead student, not an endorsement of any religion.

    Seriously, the anti-Religion fervor has reached peak stupid. It's like atheists are afraid they will accidentally become Christians.


    So you wouldn't mind a couple of devout Satanic worshiping football players with a picture of Satan on their helmets as a thoughtful homage to honor a fellow satanic football player that died? It's not endorsing anything, just honoring their friend.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I'm just stating my opinion. I think it makes atheists look like assholes when this is what we worry about. Especially when it's used as a symbol of respect for someone that passed away. My stance remains the same. Don't use any tax dollars, and don't force anyone to wear them, and I just don't care.
    I don't mind at all, as long as those endorsing the crosses endorse all religious symbols on helmets as homages.
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