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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's becoming an ugly country.
    Theocracies like iran might be more to your liking i guess.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Theocracies like iran might be more to your liking i guess.
    And getting uglier.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    But you know that will never happen. The whole peer pressure garbage on football teams is often insurmountable. It's probly why that USC player invented a story of heroically saving his nephew rather than admit he just fell off the balcony.

    Aside from that, it's a *public university.* Courts have ruled time and again that religious symbols are forbidden. If they want to wear a damn cross so bad, they can go play for a private college.
    Or better yet, wear a cross on their body suit, close to their heart for example.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Wow, talk about extremes...All one has to do is read the usual liberal suspects in this thread to see examples of that....
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What I think about what they were trying to do is irrelevant. They're a state funded university and tax payers complained about tax payer funded uniforms being used for religious reasons. If the players and athletic department don't like it, they can go to a private institution.
    Correction: According to the OP, one taxpayer complained, a Jonesboro attorney named Louis Nisenbaum.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good thing the constitution has never required the explicit writing of a statement for it to apply to certain situations. Anymore irrelevant statements? No? Moving on. Wait... before you come back with some nonsense:

    Even if this wasn't a case of separation of church & state (which it is as ), do students have a legal right to deface school property with their religious symbols? No. They do not. So as it stands, the school has a right to tell them to take off the little crosses and there's nothing you can do about it.
    That's why we have a constitution, so people can't invent fake ideas and apply them to the people. There's nothing in the Constitution, nor anywhere else, that says anything else about seperation of church and state being mandatory by law.

    The Constitution says, "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibit the free practice thereof....".

    No law has been passed by Congress and these kids are free to practice their religion.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Or better yet, wear a cross on their body suit, close to their heart for example.
    Or, instead of denying these kids of their civil rights, don't watch the games.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's why we have a constitution, so people can't invent fake ideas and apply them to the people. There's nothing in the Constitution, nor anywhere else, that says anything else about seperation of church and state being mandatory by law.

    The Constitution says, "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibit the free practice thereof....".

    No law has been passed by Congress and these kids are free to practice their religion.
    Lmao, what silly nonsense, these kids are free to practice their religion, they're not free to deface school uniforms as they see fit. As a matter of fact, your nonpoint about church and state is just that a nonpoint. Here are some other rights not enumerated:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unenumerated_rights

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    And here goes:

    https://www.aclu.org/religion-belief...public-schools

    As far as American law is concerned, religious freedom doesn't extend to you putting stickers on state funded uniforms or defacing state funded property for religious reasons
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I know what circles the Democrats ran in!
    You're still not saying, what kind of circles did you run in where you claim all of those people were democrats? You know a lot of Dixiecrats do ya Grant?
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Or, instead of denying these kids of their civil rights, don't watch the games.
    I already stated that I did not have a problem with it, but if the league has a problem they can have an alternative memorial to their deceased buddy in the manner I mentioned, nothing more and nothing else.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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