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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes, i have shown you why the kluckers are acting in a religious capacity, burning crosses
    and you want to pretend that is not reality
    You have provided no religious significance, none at all. A cross alone does not indicate religious motives.

    It may exist...but I have never seen it and you cannot provide it.

    They are loons and that IS very evident to me, so I accord them little to no reason at all.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You have provided no religious significance, none at all. A cross alone does not indicate religious motives.

    It may exist...but I have never seen it and you cannot provide it.

    They are loons and that IS very evident to me, so I accord them little to no reason at all.
    More and more people are coming to the conclusion that all cross-obsessives tend to the loon end of unreason.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    would we find it similarly acceptable to allow the students to wear their helmets adorned with a KKK insignia, with the understanding that the students agreed to so wear them ... as a part of the uniform of a state sponsored institution?
    You are suggesting the cross is equivalent to the KKK symbol? When these kids did it of their own afford and to memorialize fallen friends. That is low. Really low.

    You don't have a freedom from religion. You have freedom of religion (or lack thereof). To say these kids can't display their religion IS a government endorsement of religion and saying crosses can't be displayed. That is wrong. If I were a player I would keep it on. And I wouldn't be cowed by some arrogant ass who doesn't understand the constitution and gets offended when they are exposed to a cross.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    More and more people are coming to the conclusion that all cross-obsessives tend to the loon end of unreason.
    Unreasonable is telling people they can't memorialize their teammates with the religion they were a part of. This is wrong. This is the kind of crap I would expect from the Stalin era soviet government.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Your response kind of proves my point.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    You are suggesting the cross is equivalent to the KKK symbol? When these kids did it of their own afford and to memorialize fallen friends. That is low. Really low.

    You don't have a freedom from religion. You have freedom of religion (or lack thereof). To say these kids can't display their religion IS a government endorsement of religion and saying crosses can't be displayed. That is wrong. If I were a player I would keep it on. And I wouldn't be cowed by some arrogant ass who doesn't understand the constitution and gets offended when they are exposed to a cross.
    Who owns the property? Who owns the uniform? Who owns the team?

    There is no ban on the student showing in a 1000 different ways his heart-felt loss. But to say He can do what he wishes with someone else's property is ridiculous.

    Can the student run a cross flag up the school's flag pole in commemoration of the departed? Is that his right? Can he plant a tree in memoriam on the school's grounds on his own with consult or approval of the college?

    Let's not take this idea that one's first amendment right is carte blanche to do as one pleases...


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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Unreasonable is telling people they can't memorialize their teammates with the religion they were a part of. This is wrong. This is the kind of crap I would expect from the Stalin era soviet government.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Your response kind of proves my point.
    That I believe in America? Freedom? The first amendment? And that telling people they can't show their religion is NOT insane? That seems to be your point. Like I said. That crap belongs in the Soviet Union during Stalin's era. Not in the modern United States.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    A cross alone does not indicate religious motives.
    You're being purposely obtuse and it's fooling nobody.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Who owns the property? Who owns the uniform? Who owns the team?
    This isn't about JUST the players is it? Someone thinks the school shouldn't respect the memorial. The school didn't put those crosses on their. The athletes did. They were assigned those uniforms and helmets. And they were obviously allowed to do put a memorial on them. The SCHOOL was ok with that.

    But then someone complained. The school was afraid of a lawsuit so they caved. And that is bull****. They shouldn't have to be afraid of some 2 bit lawyer looking to score a cheap shot on someone who does to see it his way. Why? Because they didn't put the crosses on the helmets. And they can't be held responsible for it.

    So this ultimately means that whoever wants the crosses off is not a friend of the first amendment. They don't care that this was a memorial.

    There is no ban on the student showing in a 1000 different ways his heart-felt loss. But to say He can do what he wishes with someone else's property is ridiculous.
    Look at this from the property owner's view then. They are being threatened with a lawsuit because they let someone use their first amendment right. How is that fair? To think a lawsuit is reasonable in this cause is ridiculous. It is nothing more than a hardass militant atheist trying to score a cheap shot on religion.

    This isn't about "freedom of religion." This is them (those who support this action) trying to make the 1st into freedom "from" religion. That isn't what it says and that isn't what it means. This wasn't a state sanctioned action. And if this was an issue of private property the uni could just tell them to piss off anyway.

    Can the student run a cross flag up the school's flag pole in commemoration of the departed? Is that his right? Can he plant a tree in memoriam on the school's grounds on his own with consult or approval of the college?

    Let's not take this idea that one's first amendment right is carte blanche to do as one pleases...
    No. It isn't. But being a "property owner" doesn't mean you get to take people's rights away either. They DID act within reason. They were given these helmets. And if they are allowed to put OTHER symbols on the helmet at their discretion...they should damn sure be allowed to put a cross on if they please. To DISALLOW them is telling them they don't have a right to express their religion. And the university can't do that. Are you suggesting putting a cross on their helmet to memorialize 2 friends is unreasonable?
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