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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You're correct. Still don't see how this leads to the conclusion that the stickers should be removed.
    So you agree that the stickers are a violation of the Constitution, but you don't see why that should be corrected?
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Where has a public school had "Islam day" and "Hindu day"?
    We had Jewish day in Colorado public schools. Kids had to wear the Star of David. It was meant to raise awareness about the holocaust

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Were the players forced to put the decals on their helmets?
    No

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    So you agree that the stickers are a violation of the Constitution, but you don't see why that should be corrected?
    I don't think they violate the constitution. Argue the facts rather than try to put words in my mouth please.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I don't think they violate the constitution. Argue the facts rather than try to put words in my mouth please.
    I'm not...I said they were a violation of the Establishment Clause, and you said I was correct. Not sure how you can both agree and disagree. You have me confused here.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    So this would be okay too right?
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    So this would be okay too right?
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    I'm not...I said they were a violation of the Establishment Clause, and you said I was correct. Not sure how you can both agree and disagree. You have me confused here.
    You're correct that student athletes can't wear whatever stickers they want on their uniforms, that any stickers they place on their helmets have to be sanctioned by the university's athletic department.

    I'm not sure how that relates to the establishment clause, I'm not a lawyer.

    I don't see how the AD approving the students choice of wearing cross stickers on their helmets as a way of showing solidarity with a fallen teammate violates the constitution.

    If it does, we don't have a very good constitution.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Which constitutes endorsement by the school in violation of the Establishment Clause.
    That's your assertion, supported by nothing whatever from the Supreme Court's Establishment Clause jurisprudence. I will give it all the weight it deserves.

    The damned Establishment Clause never even applied to the states, for God's sake, until 1947. For more than a century and a half, any state that had wanted to could have declared its own official religion. Just imagine! But somehow, this country survived it--more's the pity.

    Amazing how this disgusting, fascist Amerikka--which as every evolved progressive who's ever seen a couple Michael Moore or Oliver Stone films or taken a few college courses knows is the source of all the world's evil, which was born in slavery, which has oppressed blacks and women and homosexuals forever, while it wasn't busy committing genocide against Native Americans or using its atom bombs to commit war crimes, as it spread its filthy capitalist, xtian tentacles all over the planet, plundering, warring, and polluting as it went, and which now is chafing at the bit to kill some more Muslims to feed its lust for blood and profits--ever managed to avoid becoming a full-out xtian theocracy!

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We had Jewish day in Colorado public schools. Kids had to wear the Star of David. It was meant to raise awareness about the holocaust
    That's a bit different: it wasn't centered on the the Torah; it was centered around a point in human history that not only has emperical evidence to back it up, but affected the entire world. It's not about a certian religious perspective. The kids putting crosses on their helmets were defacing school property and making a religious statement in a publically funded sports program.

    As star of David sewn onto clothing as a pejorative racial identification under school adminstration for the purposes of education and a crucifix sticker put onto a a school helmet by some guys in a public arena because Jesus is their lord and savior are two very differnt things.

    I'm suprised that you try and compare the two.
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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