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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    the problem comes when a player feels that he is obligated to participate in fear of retalitation for not going along. If it were an individual player decision, I'm ok with it....but if the idea was pushed by the coaching staff or administration, that is wrong.
    Coercion?

    Well, when that happens be sure to post the story, but to make brash assumptions without precedent is just wrong.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Rediculous. Pathetic.


    I mean, I understand the colleges move. They have to protect themselves from litigation.

    For ****s sake, no one was forced to wear it, no one is forced to fund it. It's not public funds that procured that gear.


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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    would we find it similarly acceptable to allow the students to wear their helmets adorned with a KKK insignia, with the understanding that the students agreed to so wear them ... as a part of the uniform of a state sponsored institution?
    I missed when the KKK became a religion.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So you wouldn't mind a couple of devout Satanic worshiping football players with a picture of Satan on their helmets as a thoughtful homage to honor a fellow satanic football player that died? It's not endorsing anything, just honoring their friend.
    I wouldnt. As long as it didnt replace or supplant the school logo.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Coercion?

    Well, when that happens be sure to post the story, but to make brash assumptions without precedent is just wrong.
    I don't know the specific facts of this specific case. It may be that there was none. I was speaking in general. If the coaching staff or the school administration says "hey I think this is a really good idea but you don't have to do it"....of course there is coercion because a player on the team is not going to want to take the chance that they might be retaliated against if they don't. This is exactly why companies have rules against managers dating people they supervise etc.....because of the very appearance of impropriety. If this was something that some individual players came up with and the others decided to do it as well....then that is is different situation.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I don't know the specific facts of this specific case. It may be that there was none. I was speaking in general. If the coaching staff or the school administration says "hey I think this is a really good idea but you don't have to do it"....of course there is coercion because a player on the team is not going to want to take the chance that they might be retaliated against if they don't. This is exactly why companies have rules against managers dating people they supervise etc.....because of the very appearance of impropriety. If this was something that some individual players came up with and the others decided to do it as well....then that is is different situation.
    Yeah right, so now Christianity is a gang or a cult???

    How devout do you think your typical Christian is?

    This is a state university and I HIGHLY doubt anyone on that team would care weather a guy put a crucifix on his helmet or not.....

    Yeah generally those "crazy Christians" go to private Christian colleges...

    You can be assured that the strong majority of those on the team belong to wild frats that love to do things that I suppose - contradict the Bible????

    So I find coercion highly unlikely.......... I bet out of the 60-70 guys on that team maybe 10 attend church on a regular basis.

    Sorry I didn't mean to go over the top or mock you - I just find the stigma behind Christianity and the notion that coercion is a possibility in a weird way to lend credence to this ruling to be ridiculous... The idea is just so over the top for me.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    No. The cost is not the issue.
    The helmets are part of the official school uniform at a state run school.
    If the team mates wanted to wear the decals on their faces that would be fine.
    On the helmets ... no.
    No student was ever forced to have the cross sticker on their helmets. This was done by the students on their own as a means of honoring a fallen teammate who, according to his father, was devoutly Christian

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Oh, puhleeze! What would the reaction have been if the two men being honored were Jews or Buddhists or - the most hated of them all - MUSLIMS and the team was asked to put the appropriate religious symbol on their helmets?

    Can you honestly tell me that you would have been just as supportive if it were a star and crescent decal the players were to wear to honor two Muslims?



    Be honest:

    Do you think the team would have readily agreed to wear it?

    Would you have been as quick to bring it to our attention if some players or citizens had protested it?

    Would have been as supportive to displaying that religious symbol?
    I would gladly wear a Star of David to show solidarity for a fallen Jewish friend or teammate, same with Muslim. And I'm a dacoit Christian.

    I respect and honor other people and their faiths, I don't try to suppress or judge them.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Are the students normally allowed to wear whatever they want on their helmets or is there a general rule against that? I've never heard of a team where that was allowed. So we're not talking about preventing an expression on religious grounds, we're talking about a specific exemption to the general rule granted by the school for a specific explicitly religious symbol.

    Which constitutes endorsement by the school in violation of the Establishment Clause.


    Which is irrelevant in Establishment cases.
    You're correct. Still don't see how this leads to the conclusion that the stickers should be removed.

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