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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Not on the official school uniform.
    The school administration saw that, and acted appropriately and accordingly.
    Yes, even then.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

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    Hell, kick me off the team...make my day!
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no they didn't the coaches supported the students in something they wanted to do.
    yep the school had nothing to do with it.

    yep the students on the team are individuals.
    so they made an individual choice to support their fallen player in line with something he believed in 100% protected.
    Are the students normally allowed to wear whatever they want on their helmets or is there a general rule against that? I've never heard of a team where that was allowed. So we're not talking about preventing an expression on religious grounds, we're talking about a specific exemption to the general rule granted by the school for a specific explicitly religious symbol.

    now i am sure if they asked if it was ok to do so from their coach which it was ok for them to do so.
    Which constitutes endorsement by the school in violation of the Establishment Clause.

    it was the players not the school that decided to wear them.
    Which is irrelevant in Establishment cases.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    These militant atheists have failed at life. I pity them.
    Atheists don't want or need your sanctimonious pity.

    I'm sure it sucks for you knowing that public property should be devoid of religious symbols. You can wear those on your car, hat, etc. Just leave them off public property. Helmet belongs to the state.

    No brainer issue here.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Are the students normally allowed to wear whatever they want on their helmets or is there a general rule against that? I've never heard of a team where that was allowed. So we're not talking about preventing an expression on religious grounds, we're talking about a specific exemption to the general rule granted by the school for a specific explicitly religious symbol.

    Which constitutes endorsement by the school in violation of the Establishment Clause.


    Which is irrelevant in Establishment cases.
    It brings one to ask; would this team be allowed to wear any kind of stickers on their uniform helmets of any kind?
    Would they be allowed to put anarchy symbols or peace symbols or STP stickers on their helmets as a form of self expression?
    My guess would be ...no probably not.
    Clearly what we have here is christian hubris and assumption of acceptance.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    I would simply like to note for all the busy bodies who want to make this a constitutional rights issue that you need only cast your mind back to the State funeral for President John F. Kennedy - a Catholic mass in the White House, two Catholic priests standing with the President's coffin in the rotunda of the Capital, services in St. Matthew Catholic Cathedral, crosses and symbols of Catholicism everywhere and yet no one's constitutional rights to honour their President free of religious symbolism was an issue.

    Nobody is forcing these young men to wear this cross - they do it freely, of their own will and their own constitutional rights, and the purity of their feelings and respect for their lost friends and colleagues should far outweigh the offense felt by some asshole sitting on their couch suddenly finding an issue to bleat about.

    As I said previously, anyone can claim offense regarding anything if they simply try hard enough. And what a sad life a person must lead when that is their primary accomplishment.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    From what I can tell, students adding crosses to the helmet should be protected speech. The speech would have to run afoul of some fairly specific constraints to be restricted -- e.g. too vulgar, imminently threatening etc.

    It would be different if a school representative mandated it. That's not the case here.

    I don't see any reason why students can decorate their football uniforms, as long as it is voluntarily and of their own accord.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's religious in nature and related primarily to funeral rites/ceremonies conducted in many forms of religion. You can't get away from the fact that much of our history and culture owes itself to religious customs observed over centuries. The only religion under assault, however, it Christianity.

    And to be clear, I'm not the slightest bit religious but I would never presume to invent offense simply for the purpose of denying a religious person something they hold dear.


    It needs to be pointed out that the laws concerning this are drafted in a building with Greek pillars, originally part of Greek myth, a small city of nothing but giant columns reaching to their Gods.

    The court house in which this will be heard will likely have the same columns and perhaps gargoyles, torso and head statuettes along the top sills "holding" things up,,,a pagan culture. That court house and the Supreme Court of the United States will have a statue of a woman, blindfolded, holding a scale, "lady justice" you call her now, but she is "Justitia" the Greek Titan of fairness and fair play.

    No one has an issue with any of this. They are not threatened because few if anyone believes in that stuff anymore, but many DO believe in the cross. That's why it's an issue,. or else you have to get rid of all those statues....

    Oh, and the judges benches [thrones] too...they actually originate from the early Vatican
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I would simply like to note for all the busy bodies who want to make this a constitutional rights issue that you need only cast your mind back to the State funeral for President John F. Kennedy - a Catholic mass in the White House, two Catholic priests standing with the President's coffin in the rotunda of the Capital, services in St. Matthew Catholic Cathedral, crosses and symbols of Catholicism everywhere and yet no one's constitutional rights to honour their President free of religious symbolism was an issue.

    That was 51 years ago. I'd like to think we've grown a bit.

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