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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    One person can't be a football team.



    Think about this a little bit.
    that has no bearing at all. the team as a group without the school or coaches influenced decided to do it of their own free will. they each made an individual choice to honor their fallen player with something that he believed in and evidently had a profound effect on them.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The threat of lawsuits keeps institutions within the law all the time...there is nothing unique in that.
    The coaches who are employed by the school and the state, facilitated the wearing of the stickers. That was clear in the article.
    You can not say that "the school had nothing to do with the stickers."
    The freedom of speech and religious expression by individuals is protected. The freedom of speech and religious expression by publicly funded institutions, however, is not.
    no they didn't the coaches supported the students in something they wanted to do.
    yep the school had nothing to do with it.

    yep the students on the team are individuals.
    so they made an individual choice to support their fallen player in line with something he believed in 100% protected.

    now i am sure if they asked if it was ok to do so from their coach which it was ok for them to do so.

    it was the players not the school that decided to wear them.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    public can still watch the games with a cross on their helmet. doesn't stop them from watching the game unless that mere sight of a cross causes you to burst into flame.
    so much outrage for something you claim doesn't exist.

    hmm can only mean that you don't really believe it and are scared of a bunch of 20 year old's honoring their fallen member.
    as i said next game they should wear a huge arm patch with a cross then there is nothing you can do about it just to tick you off more
    and show that people like you don't get to dicate their freedoms.
    Where have I claimed that religious symbols don't exist? That doesn't even make sense.
    As I have expressed several times here, arm-bands, not part of the uniform, are acceptable alternatives. Sorry, but this would not "tick me off" in the least.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no they didn't the coaches supported the students in something they wanted to do.
    yep the school had nothing to do with it.

    yep the students on the team are individuals.
    so they made an individual choice to support their fallen player in line with something he believed in 100% protected.

    now i am sure if they asked if it was ok to do so from their coach which it was ok for them to do so.

    it was the players not the school that decided to wear them.


    Whatever.

    According to what I read at the link they're gone so this thread is talking about something that's over with.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Were the dead team-mates crucified?
    If they were then I would understand putting the cross decals on their helmets.
    If they were not ... then the traditional black arm-band would be appropriate and called for to honor their dead on and off the field.
    A football game funded by the state is no place to promote christianity, and that is precisely what these crosses represented.
    The jackass who thought up this christian promotional stunt should be severely reprimanded.

    The judgement to remove the crosses was correct and justified.
    Why should the wearing of black, in any form, which is the standard for mourning in many religions, be any less offensive to non-Christians as a cross? Just because you find it less offensive doesn't mean it doesn't also have historical religious undertones.

    Anyone can find a reason to be offended by anything if they try hard enough.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no they didn't the coaches supported the students in something they wanted to do.
    yep the school had nothing to do with it.

    yep the students on the team are individuals.
    so they made an individual choice to support their fallen player in line with something he believed in 100% protected.

    now i am sure if they asked if it was ok to do so from their coach which it was ok for them to do so.

    it was the players not the school that decided to wear them.
    The article clearly states: " that the players and coaches voluntarily decided to memorialize his son and Owens. "
    If you don't want to believe the article and make up your own story ...go right ahead ... but you are not very convincing ... no matter how many times you say "yep".

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    violation of the 1st amendment an even dummer invention. which is exaclty what the school and this so called lawyer did was violate the constitution.
    students had every right to put a cross on their helmet if they wanted to.

    if a simple cross offends more so when it is something you don't even believe in then you have bigger issues that you need to deal with.
    I think its ridiculous that the school is making them take the cross off their helmet, but its a uniform, thus not their personal clothes, thus its not a first amendment issue at all.
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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Why should the wearing of black, in any form, which is the standard for mourning in many religions, be any less offensive to non-Christians as a cross? Just because you find it less offensive doesn't mean it doesn't also have historical religious undertones.

    Anyone can find a reason to be offended by anything if they try hard enough.
    The wearing of black to mourn the dead is universally accepted as a way to mourn the dead.
    The cross is uniquely christian.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Under the circumstances you would probably be benched.
    The school administration made the decision to pull the crosses.
    It was not forced.
    Hell, kick me off the team...make my day!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Football team forced to remove crosses from helmets

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The wearing of black to mourn the dead is universally accepted as a way to mourn the dead.
    The cross is uniquely christian.
    It's religious in nature and related primarily to funeral rites/ceremonies conducted in many forms of religion. You can't get away from the fact that much of our history and culture owes itself to religious customs observed over centuries. The only religion under assault, however, it Christianity.

    And to be clear, I'm not the slightest bit religious but I would never presume to invent offense simply for the purpose of denying a religious person something they hold dear.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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