• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel[W:329]

Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

Cruz is playing to the Jewish-American vote for GOP POTUS primaries,
which Rand Paul doesn't have due to past statements on cutting off all foreign aid to Israel.

Cruz was not invited to the "Adelson summit" of four present and past GOP governors and knows his power as a Jewish-American billionaire.

Cruz saw how Adelson-backed Gingrich took his toll on Romney early on in 2012 .
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

A few minutes of research would indicate that you are wrong, but since it is mostly off topic I'll just let it slide.

So, in your OP you take a shot at the Tea Party and when I call you on it suddenly it's off topic. That's convenient for you.


In retrospect it seems Cruz used this event as a campaign stop to gin up support amongst his base (i.e., he didn't give a damn about the convention or its goals or Middle Eastern Christians, but just used them for political gain). Now that's the Cruz we all know and love ;)

Cruz may have used it as a campaign stop, but hardly "amongst his base" as witnessed by the reaction of the crowd. From the tenor of your OP and your comments about Cruz, you apparently don't give a damn about the convention or the goals of Middle Eastern Christians either, using it as a tool for your political goals, and that's also indicative of the progressives we all know and love.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

Or just a strong dislike for Ted Cruz. The audience was respectful until he started accusing them of being un-American if they didn't agree with him on Israel. In other words, the sleaze ball was accusing the audience of anti-Semitism to shut them up. But it just made them angrier , instead. Can't say I really blame them. There's little more insulting than a foreigner lecturing to real Americans that they aren't real Americans unless they put their loyalty for another country over their own.

Firstly, now you know how critics of Obama feel when those on the left claim criticism of Obama makes them racists.

Secondly, what makes you think that the audience was entirely American born? It is, after all, a convention related to the plight of MIDDLE EASTERN Christians not American Christians in the Middle East.

Finally, it's also good to note that Cruz, constitutionally born an American citizen regardless of the location of his parents when birthed, is considered a foreigner by you and somehow less a citizen than those born in the country. Your purity test is noted.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

Name one popular Tea Partier that isn't a social conservative evangelical nut.

Maybe you should educate yourself about what the Tea Party is and what they stand for before you condemn them as "social conservative evangelical nuts". As a supposed libertarian, you should have much in common with them.

Our Vision | Tea Party Patriots
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

I find this a quite interesting turn of events, since evangelical Christians seem to form the backbone of the right wing base and as a backbone of the Tea Party (an even righter wing base, of which Cruz has previously been a darling). A beef with Israel seems quite out of character for them... in fact, nearly blasphemous.

The event organizers brushed the booing off on "a few politically motivated opportunists" but that really doesn't jibe with Cruz walking out.

Good for the crowd that booed him...not against him in general but specifically for what he said.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

I'm not much of a Ted Cruz fan... He's far too religious in my opinion, to be a US Senator. A congressman, sure, but anything higher up than that, nope.

I'm not a Christian, but I have great respect for those who are. I believe that having someone in high office who's a Christian or a religious person in general, is an asset rather than a liability. When it comes to mixing religion and political office for senators, VP's, presidents, or cabinet members, too much religion can potentially be disastrous. Ted Cruz is someone I consider too religious to be elected to high office. He's someone that I feel has the potential to put serving his faith ahead of serving the nation, and that's something that can't be allowed to happen.

Now with that said, what Ted Cruz did and said on that stage made me stand up and applaud the man. When those anti-Semitic, middle eastern bigots started spewing their hatred, Cruz could have done what 99% of the opportunistic political weasels we have in Washington would have done, and tried to placate them, not ruffle any feathers, and played politician, but that's not what Cruz did. Without hesitation, he immediately stood up for what was right, by flat out refusing to either accept or ignore the hatred they were spewing, calling those idiots as well as the entire organization to task for their hate, and without blinking an eye, cut his ties with them and walked off that stage.

That was one of the finest examples of principled behavior by a politician that I've seen in recent memory, and even though I would never support the man for president, he's definitely earned my respect as a human being. I just wish we had a few more politicians in Washington who stood on real principals, rather than the phony, self serving politically crafted principals that make me want to puke every time I hear them uttered.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

I find this a quite interesting turn of events, since evangelical Christians seem to form the backbone of the right wing base and as a backbone of the Tea Party (an even righter wing base, of which Cruz has previously been a darling). A beef with Israel seems quite out of character for them... in fact, nearly blasphemous.

The event organizers brushed the booing off on "a few politically motivated opportunists" but that really doesn't jibe with Cruz walking out.

The man is a narcissistic arrogant assclown. And he was clueless about his audience. Most people that know anything about public speaking know you don't say things to offend your audience.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

Of course there is never anything wrong with frightened children booing and behaving like orangutangs, it's the fault of the speaker for saying **** they disagree with.

Look. Cruz's social policies are aberrant, middle ages crap the world has left behind. I am thankful his parents removed him from my country lest he find another mad man to agree with him. I abhor Christians who warp themselves in a flag and claim it's the Cross.

But I know enough about Mr. Cruz that he too supports the concept of "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to my death your right to say it." That is allegedly the core of what is America, one of the foundations of freedom.

But here we are branding this guy, putting him down because he was denied that right to speak his mind. FFS, whenever In hear these grunts bring God into the equation I want to vomit. But the man is a senator, duly elected, who represents a significant following in America, he DID NOT deserve to be disrespected so rudely because his views happen to be different to these clown who claim to understand what is democracy and the need for dissenting opinions.

Shame. Freedom has been dealt yet another blow.


Bull****. Freedom and the Constitution don't suffer if a retard is called out. Offending sensibilities is not unconstitutional.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

Maybe you should educate yourself about what the Tea Party is and what they stand for before you condemn them as "social conservative evangelical nuts".

I'll repeat my question: name one popular Tea Partier that is not an evangelical nut.

As a supposed libertarian, you should have much in common with them.

I don't. Tea Partiers only overlap with the twisted and perverted Republican-ified version of libertarianism. Regular libertarians don't have a whole lot in common and left-libertarians, such as myself, don't have much of anything in common.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

Now with that said, what Ted Cruz did and said on that stage made me stand up and applaud the man. When those anti-Semitic, middle eastern bigots started spewing their hatred....

Ok, that's clear enough. Those that don't march in lockstep with Israel and their policies are "anti-Semitic....bigots...spewing hatred." Which includes many Israeli and American...Jews.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

The man is a narcissistic arrogant assclown. And he was clueless about his audience. Most people that know anything about public speaking know you don't say things to offend your audience.

Personally I feel those present at the event that claim to be Christians and support Hezbollah would be the "assclowns". Someone calling themselves Christians while giving support to a murderous terrorist group hardly passes the laughing test. And obviously you don't seem to be aware not everyone present at the event agreed with the booing Hezbollah supporters. The Assyrian Christians didn't.
Assyrian Christians Support Cruz After Walkout
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

Ok, that's clear enough. Those that don't march in lockstep with Israel and their policies are "anti-Semitic....bigots...spewing hatred." Which includes many Israeli and American...Jews.

How can anyone question God's people...The Israeli government is an extension of God. Otherwise why the blanket zero-criticism policy.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

Personally I feel those present at the event that claim to be Christians and support Hezbollah would be the "assclowns". Someone calling themselves Christians while giving support to a murderous terrorist group hardly passes the laughing test. And obviously you don't seem to be aware not everyone present at the event agreed with the booing Hezbollah supporters. The Assyrian Christians didn't.
Assyrian Christians Support Cruz After Walkout

How do know that Hezbollah supports were the only one's that booed Cruz?

Let me ask you a question of what Cruz said that got an off reaction. Cruz said that "Israel is the greatest ally of Christians".

Do you agree with that Cruz' statement? If so, exactly how is Israel an ally to Christians? How has Israel acted to show their allegiance with Christians?
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

Of course there is never anything wrong with frightened children booing and behaving like orangutangs, it's the fault of the speaker for saying **** they disagree with.

Look. Cruz's social policies are aberrant, middle ages crap the world has left behind. I am thankful his parents removed him from my country lest he find another mad man to agree with him. I abhor Christians who warp themselves in a flag and claim it's the Cross.

But I know enough about Mr. Cruz that he too supports the concept of "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to my death your right to say it." That is allegedly the core of what is America, one of the foundations of freedom.

But here we are branding this guy, putting him down because he was denied that right to speak his mind. FFS, whenever In hear these grunts bring God into the equation I want to vomit. But the man is a senator, duly elected, who represents a significant following in America, he DID NOT deserve to be disrespected so rudely because his views happen to be different to these clown who claim to understand what is democracy and the need for dissenting opinions.

Shame. Freedom has been dealt yet another blow.

It's the fault of the speaker for making ill informed statements and focussing on a separate ethnic group to who the event is supposed to raise awareness for.

He then proceeded to childishly shut down the crowds reaction by playing the anti Semite card.

He was free to make his speech and I suspect he got exactly what he wanted out of it.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

How do know that Hezbollah supports were the only one's that booed Cruz?

Let me ask you a question of what Cruz said that got an off reaction. Cruz said that "Israel is the greatest ally of Christians".

Do you agree with that Cruz' statement? If so, exactly how is Israel an ally to Christians? How has Israel acted to show their allegiance with Christians?

Cruz expressed defending Israel and defending Christians in the Middle East go hand-in-hand. It is no coincidence that the "friends" of Israel in the world are nations where Christianity is the dominant faith among their citizens. In many of the Muslim countries it is common practice for Christians and Jews to live in fear of retaliation of their faith or economically be forced to live in poverty. The Coptic Christians in Egypt as just one minor example face it daily as do many other dominantly Muslim countries. Over the decades the Egyptians became more influenced by Muslim "organizations" like the Brotherhood and the intolerance of Christians and Jews grew. Today one would be hardpressed to still find a synagogue still open and we frequently hear of Christians being slaughtered. It isn't Jews killing Christians but Muslims killing Christians. In Israel you find several dedications to Christians for their sacrifices made for the Jewish people. In Israel people are not slaughtered for their faith. All three major faiths are represented in that little country without fear of being beheaded, hung, burned alive, or stoned to death.
 
Last edited:
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

Cruz expressed defending Israel and defending Christians in the Middle East go hand-in-hand. It is no coincidence that the "friends" of Israel in the world are nations where Christianity is the dominant faith among their citizens. In many of the Muslim countries it is common practice for Christians and Jews to live in fear of retaliation of their faith or economically be forced to live in poverty. The Coptic Christians in Egypt as just one minor example face it daily as do many other dominantly Muslim countries. Over the decades the Egyptians became more influenced by Muslim "organizations" like the Brotherhood and the intolerance of Christians and Jews grew. Today one would be hardpressed to still find a synagogue still open and we frequently hear of Christians being slaughtered. It isn't Jews killing Christians but Muslims. In Israel you find several dedications to Christians for their sacrifices made for the Jewish people. In Israel people are not slaughtered for their faith. All three major faiths are represented in that little country without fear of being beheaded, hung, burned alive, or stoned to death.


Nothing you posted shows how Israel is Christians' greatest ally as Cruz contended. What has the state of Israel or the government of Israel done in deed or policy that benefits Christians in the Middle East or anywhere else?
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

Nothing you posted shows how Israel is Christians' greatest ally as Cruz contended. What has the state of Israel or the government of Israel done in deed or policy that benefits Christians in the Middle East or anywhere else?

I disagree, I just made the case showing Israel's respect for religious freedom for starters, a fundamental necessity for freedom/liberty something Muslim countries don't share.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

I find this a quite interesting turn of events, since evangelical Christians seem to form the backbone of the right wing base and as a backbone of the Tea Party (an even righter wing base, of which Cruz has previously been a darling). A beef with Israel seems quite out of character for them... in fact, nearly blasphemous.

The event organizers brushed the booing off on "a few politically motivated opportunists" but that really doesn't jibe with Cruz walking out.

I too am surprised to read this. Glad to hear it, but surprised. For this "lost my religion" guy, Israel has done more to harm this country than any other I can think of, most of it from the inside.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

I'll repeat my question: name one popular Tea Partier that is not an evangelical nut.



I don't. Tea Partiers only overlap with the twisted and perverted Republican-ified version of libertarianism. Regular libertarians don't have a whole lot in common and left-libertarians, such as myself, don't have much of anything in common.

Then you're not really a libertarian and you're simply a liberal hiding behind what you see as a more acceptable label.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

Not all Arabs like Israel.
So that's news now?
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

Huh ?

How is that a " good trend " ??

It's been a long time coming, but we can't jump into that here, the mods don't like it.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

It's been a long time coming, but we can't jump into that here, the mods don't like it.

Such a brave anarchist you are. A rebel really.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

Such a brave anarchist you are. A rebel really.

Not really, just had my share of infractions for disappointing mods in such fashion.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

I'll repeat my question: name one popular Tea Partier that is not an evangelical nut.



I don't. Tea Partiers only overlap with the twisted and perverted Republican-ified version of libertarianism. Regular libertarians don't have a whole lot in common and left-libertarians, such as myself, don't have much of anything in common.



"Retard"?

Very reasoned thinking there, and only grossly insulting. Never mind what the man stands for, he a "retard"....

Nice.
 
Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

It's the fault of the speaker for making ill informed statements and focussing on a separate ethnic group to who the event is supposed to raise awareness for.

He then proceeded to childishly shut down the crowds reaction by playing the anti Semite card.

He was free to make his speech and I suspect he got exactly what he wanted out of it.



So freedom of speech is a myth...you disagree with what someone has to say and it is completely permissible to shout them down and, as in an earlier post brand him a "retard"

Thanks, but that's looking like Central America to me.....
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom