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    Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm not sure what motivates this thread more: hatred for The Tea Party, or hatred of Israel.
    Or just a strong dislike for Ted Cruz. The audience was respectful until he started accusing them of being un-American if they didn't agree with him on Israel. In other words, the sleaze ball was accusing the audience of anti-Semitism to shut them up. But it just made them angrier , instead. Can't say I really blame them. There's little more insulting than a foreigner lecturing to real Americans that they aren't real Americans unless they put their loyalty for another country over their own.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Or just a strong dislike for Ted Cruz. The audience was respectful until he started accusing them of being un-American if they didn't agree with him on Israel. In other words, he was accusing them of anti-Semitism to shut them up. But it just made them madder, instead.
    Of course there is never anything wrong with frightened children booing and behaving like orangutangs, it's the fault of the speaker for saying **** they disagree with.

    Look. Cruz's social policies are aberrant, middle ages crap the world has left behind. I am thankful his parents removed him from my country lest he find another mad man to agree with him. I abhor Christians who warp themselves in a flag and claim it's the Cross.

    But I know enough about Mr. Cruz that he too supports the concept of "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to my death your right to say it." That is allegedly the core of what is America, one of the foundations of freedom.

    But here we are branding this guy, putting him down because he was denied that right to speak his mind. FFS, whenever In hear these grunts bring God into the equation I want to vomit. But the man is a senator, duly elected, who represents a significant following in America, he DID NOT deserve to be disrespected so rudely because his views happen to be different to these clown who claim to understand what is democracy and the need for dissenting opinions.

    Shame. Freedom has been dealt yet another blow.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Of course there is never anything wrong with frightened children booing and behaving like orangutangs, it's the fault of the speaker for saying **** they disagree with.
    Cruz wasn't invited there to stump for AIPAC and accuse people of hating Jews and America. Don't complain about getting booted from a private party after insulting the host.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Firstly, there's nothing about the Tea Party that is remotely evangelical Christian
    Name one popular Tea Partier that isn't a social conservative evangelical nut.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    But here we are branding this guy, putting him down because he was denied that right to speak his mind. FFS, whenever In hear these grunts bring God into the equation I want to vomit. But the man is a senator, duly elected, who represents a significant following in America, he DID NOT deserve to be disrespected so rudely because his views happen to be different to these clown who claim to understand what is democracy and the need for dissenting opinions.

    Shame. Freedom has been dealt yet another blow.
    I didn't see where he was "denied" anything. He spoke his mind, a few in the audience let him know they disagreed. He wasn't shouted down or unable to continue speaking. He just decided that unless he had the support of 100% of the audience, he wasn't going to continue. His choice, but we shouldn't confuse that with him being denied the opportunity TO speak.

    And I find it insulting when pro-Israel speakers equate support for the current administration in Israel and their policies with support for Jews. Heck, lots of Jews in Israel don't support the current administration or its policies. Opposing Israeli policies says really nothing at all about whether a person is anti-Semitic. Same way lots of Americans can't stand Obama - are people opposed to Americans if they oppose Obama or some action by the Obama administration? Do Obama haters hate America?

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    Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

    Cruz is playing to the Jewish-American vote for GOP POTUS primaries,
    which Rand Paul doesn't have due to past statements on cutting off all foreign aid to Israel.

    Cruz was not invited to the "Adelson summit" of four present and past GOP governors and knows his power as a Jewish-American billionaire.

    Cruz saw how Adelson-backed Gingrich took his toll on Romney early on in 2012 .
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    Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    A few minutes of research would indicate that you are wrong, but since it is mostly off topic I'll just let it slide.
    So, in your OP you take a shot at the Tea Party and when I call you on it suddenly it's off topic. That's convenient for you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    In retrospect it seems Cruz used this event as a campaign stop to gin up support amongst his base (i.e., he didn't give a damn about the convention or its goals or Middle Eastern Christians, but just used them for political gain). Now that's the Cruz we all know and love
    Cruz may have used it as a campaign stop, but hardly "amongst his base" as witnessed by the reaction of the crowd. From the tenor of your OP and your comments about Cruz, you apparently don't give a damn about the convention or the goals of Middle Eastern Christians either, using it as a tool for your political goals, and that's also indicative of the progressives we all know and love.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Or just a strong dislike for Ted Cruz. The audience was respectful until he started accusing them of being un-American if they didn't agree with him on Israel. In other words, the sleaze ball was accusing the audience of anti-Semitism to shut them up. But it just made them angrier , instead. Can't say I really blame them. There's little more insulting than a foreigner lecturing to real Americans that they aren't real Americans unless they put their loyalty for another country over their own.
    Firstly, now you know how critics of Obama feel when those on the left claim criticism of Obama makes them racists.

    Secondly, what makes you think that the audience was entirely American born? It is, after all, a convention related to the plight of MIDDLE EASTERN Christians not American Christians in the Middle East.

    Finally, it's also good to note that Cruz, constitutionally born an American citizen regardless of the location of his parents when birthed, is considered a foreigner by you and somehow less a citizen than those born in the country. Your purity test is noted.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Name one popular Tea Partier that isn't a social conservative evangelical nut.
    Maybe you should educate yourself about what the Tea Party is and what they stand for before you condemn them as "social conservative evangelical nuts". As a supposed libertarian, you should have much in common with them.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Gets Boos From Christians by Praising Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I find this a quite interesting turn of events, since evangelical Christians seem to form the backbone of the right wing base and as a backbone of the Tea Party (an even righter wing base, of which Cruz has previously been a darling). A beef with Israel seems quite out of character for them... in fact, nearly blasphemous.

    The event organizers brushed the booing off on "a few politically motivated opportunists" but that really doesn't jibe with Cruz walking out.
    Good for the crowd that booed him...not against him in general but specifically for what he said.

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