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    Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    "Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim."

    Oh really? There has been an ongoing war, even before ISIS, with Sunni and Shia Muslims killing each other, and both killing Christians - so exactly who is innocent and who is guilty?

    Whether you like it or not, the name of the terrorist group is 'Islamic State'. They want a government governed strictly by Sharia, or Islamic, law. So yes, they are Islamic - the most fundamentalist form of Islam, but Islam. The Muslims are waiting for their 'Mahdi' - who is the anti-Christ. The Islamic religion itself is anti-Christian. It was created to directly oppose the notion that Jesus Christ died for the sins of mankind, and the Koran says explicitly that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God. So who is so adamantly opposed to Christ? I mean, there is no other religion that takes the religious text of another religion and twists it around to mean something else. The Virgin Mary appears in the Koran, as well as Jesus... only their roles have been changed. Those who think that they are following the same God of Abraham are mistaken - Allah is the ancient moon-god, and the crescent and star derive from him. So who is it that desperately wants mankind to NOT accept Jesus Christ as Savior - why the devil, of course.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    That's right people...

    If Obama disagrees with that you are the religion you say you are that means you're not that religion

    Thank god this kind of stupid standard isn't actually the standard, or else all the idiots accusing Obama of lying about being Christian and really being Muslim would suddenly have a leg to stand on

    Yes, Isis is fundamentally Islamic in its makeup and foundational philosophy. Saying and acknowledging that fact and reality doesn't mean all Muslims agree with their stances or interpretations. This ridiculous attempt to deny reality in a backwards attempt at bending over backwards to disassociate them from a clear factor in their actions is not just dishonest but irresponsible. If you want to specific that they are a fundamentalist version, that's fine. But to claim they're not Islamic is just pure hogwash

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    I think he's trying to go No True Scotsman and say that ISIL doesn't represent Islam, but if there was a worse way to spit it out, I can't imagine.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by kramercat View Post
    The Muslims are waiting for their 'Mahdi' - who is the anti-Christ.
    They already had a Mahdi, he kicked the arse of the British and Egyptians in Sudan a few hundred years ago.
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I think he's trying to go No True Scotsman and say that ISIL doesn't represent Islam, but if there was a worse way to spit it out, I can't imagine.
    That's exactly what he meant, and it is an unfortunate way of saying it. Just like as a small business owner, I knew what he meant when he said that I didn't build it by myself, but I also knew it was going to go over like a lead balloon.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's exactly what he meant, and it is an unfortunate way of saying it. Just like as a small business owner, I knew what he meant when he said that I didn't build it by myself, but I also knew it was going to go over like a lead balloon.
    Agreed. Perhaps he was using the obvious fallacy thinking most people just aren't educated enough to see through the fallacy.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Agreed. Perhaps he was using the obvious fallacy thinking most people just aren't educated enough to see through the fallacy.
    C'mon dude, not unlike Bush or any president before him, he stated an obvious, that IS isn't Islamic in the sense that they don't represent it at all, in a very awkward and unfortunate way. Which always gives your opposition room to ridicule you and distract from the more important. So squeeze it for all you can get, and have your laughs, and then we'll move on, I'll not blame you for having some fun.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by kramercat View Post
    "Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim."
    The point, which is apparently lost on conservatives, is that if one claims to be a religious "nation" one should uphold the tenets of that religion. Islam does not condone the slaughter of innocent children.

    As the President said:
    No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim. And ISIL is certainly not a state. It was formerly al Qaeda’s affiliate in Iraq, and has taken advantage of sectarian strife and Syria’s civil war to gain territory on both sides of the Iraq-Syrian border. It is recognized by no government, nor the people it subjugates. ISIL is a terrorist organization, pure and simple. And it has no vision other than the slaughter of all who stand in its way.

    In a region that has known so much bloodshed, these terrorists are unique in their brutality. They execute captured prisoners. They kill children. They enslave, rape, and force women into marriage. They threatened a religious minority with genocide. In acts of barbarism, they took the lives of two American journalists — Jim Foley and Steven Sotloff.
    I mean really, the lengths conservatives will go to claim Obama is wrong is disheartening.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    C'mon dude, not unlike Bush or any president before him, he stated an obvious, that IS isn't Islamic in the sense that they don't represent it at all, in a very awkward and unfortunate way. Which always gives your opposition room to ridicule you and distract from the more important. So squeeze it for all you can get, and have your laughs, and then we'll move on, I'll not blame you for having some fun.
    Anything to detract from the obvious difficulty of the Present Moment Awareness of the situation with these guys.
    With the internet capability that ISIL has shown, you'd think the Party of Patriotism would know better.
    But there's an election in 54 days as Jack Kingston-R-GA would say, and why should we GOPs have to go on the record ?
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    "You say ISIL
    I say ISIS
    You say JV I say crisis.
    ISIL, ISIS
    Jihadi, jihardi
    Let's call the whole thing golf"

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