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Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

Exactly what 'Mahdi' event are you claiming? references please.

I can't remember the exact dates off the top of my head, but I was in Sudan in the 1800's, they killed Charles Gordon when they took Khartoum, defeated a bunch of better armed soldiers several times. His followers were called the Ansar, but the British called the Dervishes.
 
I can't remember the exact dates off the top of my head, but I was in Sudan in the 1800's, they killed Charles Gordon when they took Khartoum, defeated a bunch of better armed soldiers several times. His followers were called the Ansar, but the British called the Dervishes.

Well, the Sudanese leader proclaimed himself to be the Mahdi, but certainly wasn't. The black African Muslims revolted against the Arab Muslims and also the British colonialists. The same situation exists in Sudan today, namely the persecution of black African Muslims by Arab Muslims.
 
The point, which is apparently lost on conservatives, is that if one claims to be a religious "nation" one should uphold the tenets of that religion. Islam does not condone the slaughter of innocent children.
As the President said:
I mean really, the lengths conservatives will go to claim Obama is wrong is disheartening.

Islam is the religion of peace? Oh really...

'In Islam, all non-Muslims are called unbelievers or infidels. The treatment of the infidels in Islam is divided into two categories. The polytheists, pagans, idolaters and heathens have the choice of converting to Islam or suffer death. The Jews and Christians, whom the Koran calls people of the book, can retain their religion but on the sufferance of accepting humiliation and subjugation to Islam and payment of Jizyah (poll-tax) to the Islamic rulers.

Now, let us have a closer look at what the Koran says about the infidels:

Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood (9:123)
When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies
(22:19)
Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)

The Qur’an certainly proclaims that when the time is appropriate, Muslims must use force to convert the unbelievers to Islam. For the non-Muslims, the alternative to this is to pay the humiliating protection money (Jizya tax) or be killed (by beheading, of course). A militarily dominant Islam, without doubt, precludes the peaceful co-existence with the unbelievers if the Muslims have to abide strictly by the unalterable stipulations of the Qur’an.

The text of the Koran is undeniable. How can you be Muslim and still support our Constitution?
 
ISIL doesn't dither as this House/Senate does .

McCain didn't want a vote on a war resolution afew weeks ago, now he does.
And scheduled votes are being prevented until after the election, giving GOPs cover.

Yet now McCain worriedly asks if the free Syrian army will attack Assad?
After he wanted to bomb Assad.

And now McCain is fighting with Rand Paul.
 
It is his middle name is it not?

That's like referring to President Garfield as "Abram" and suggesting he was Jewish and anti-Christian. It's rather puerile, not to mention counterfactual. But don't let that stop you.
 
It increases the likelihood you are a bigot.

Deal with it.

Your response suggests that you may be a bigot. I merely referred to Barack "Hussein" Obama by his middle name. Is their something wrong with his middle name?
 
You know goddamn well it is; stop being obtuse.

I assume you'll be referring to all Presidents by their middle names from now on. Either that, or you have exposed yourself as little more than a partisan hack.

Nah....Just the present one. What's wrong with his middle name?
 
Your response suggests that you may be a bigot. I merely referred to Barack "Hussein" Obama by his middle name. Is their something wrong with his middle name?

Alright, you want it spelled out for you.

You say it because it sounds Muslim. You say it because it makes him sound less than a good American, because you believe Muslims are inferior.

In short, you are a racist.
 
ISIL doesn't dither as this House/Senate does .

McCain didn't want a vote on a war resolution afew weeks ago, now he does.
And scheduled votes are being prevented until after the election, giving GOPs cover.

Yet now McCain worriedly asks if the free Syrian army will attack Assad?
After he wanted to bomb Assad.

And now McCain is fighting with Rand Paul.

McCain is not the President or a leader anywhere in the government. He has an opinion based on broad experience however.
 
Alright, you want it spelled out for you.

You say it because it sounds Muslim. You say it because it makes him sound less than a good American, because you believe Muslims are inferior.

In short, you are a racist.
Islam is not a race.

It's odd though that even atheists feel they have to defend Islam, one of the worst religions to ever strike mankind..
 
Islam is not a race.

It's odd though that even atheists feel they have to defend Islam, one of the worst religions to ever strike mankind..

Who on earth is defending Islam here? Do you just read what you want to read and concoct your half-baked opinions based on that?
 
Who on earth is defending Islam here? Do you just read what you want to read and concoct your half-baked opinions based on that?

Do you agree that Islam is not a race?

Why are you offended by someone using the Presidents middle name? Do you think Obama should be offended or hurt by it also?
 
Do you agree that Islam is not a race?

Yes, which has zero to do with the mythical "defense of Islam" that you accused someone of.

Why are you offended by someone using the Presidents middle name? Do you think Obama should be offended or hurt by it also?

I'm not "offended," I just know damn well why it's being done. Pure hackery.
 
Yes, which has zero to do with the mythical "defense of Islam" that you accused someone of. I'm not "offended," I just know damn well why it's being done. Pure hackery.
Pure hackery is no reason to get so excited and defensive, and a rather silly accusation also.

What's your real reason?
 
Pure hackery is no reason to get so excited and defensive, and a rather silly accusation also.

What's your real reason?

"Excited and defensive"? Pretty weak attempt at marginalization there, bro.

I told you my "real reason." The fact that you don't like it is not my problem. Tell it to someone who cares.
 
Islam is not a race.

It's odd though that even atheists feel they have to defend Islam, one of the worst religions to ever strike mankind..

Atheists wish that there were no religion, but that sense there are, that Christians ought not feel superior.
 
Alright, you want it spelled out for you.

You say it because it sounds Muslim. You say it because it makes him sound less than a good American, because you believe Muslims are inferior.

In short, you are a racist.

You are attempting to speak for me...however you are only showing your own racism as well as your inability to distinguish between race and religion. I don't have a problem with most Muslims....just the fanatical ones and those who do not condemn the extremists who are hijacking their religion. I highlight Obama's middle name because it matches the last name of the late "butcher of Bagdad...Saddam Hussein....the character that led the US to get involved in two bloody wars. One in 1991 and one in 2003. And by the way, Saddam Hussein was a secularist.....unless he saw political benefit and bringing up religion.
 
Islam is not a race.

It's odd though that even atheists feel they have to defend Islam, one of the worst religions to ever strike mankind..

Yes.....many of the same liberals who scream racism every time islam is criticized at any level are the same liberals who are condemning prayer or any public expression of Christianity in public school systems in the US. They don't seem to have a problem with the madressas in the third world though.
 
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