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Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

Mr.Nick said:
Oh everything Obama blunders on is just a "mistake" - yeah well he surely seems to make a ****-ton of mistakes then.....

Obama makes G.W look like Winston Churchill....
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Oh, stop it. The claim that Obama bumbles and stumbles his way through speaking like Bush did is simply asinine.
 
Texmex said:
Another ignorant comment to add to the pile.

Note: Believing something doesn't mean it's true. Remember Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny, you do know they aren't real, don't you?
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Talk about dumb and irrelevant comments... Do you know anyone claiming to be Santa Claus or Superman?

So you know better than members of ISIS whether or not they are Islamic?

Another Obama worshiper. :drink
 
Kobie said:
Oh, stop it. The claim that Obama bumbles and stumbles his way through speaking like Bush did is simply asinine.
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Yeah right..... The difference is that Obama needs a teleprompter to sound intelligent and Bush just spoke, and every time Obama doesn't have his teleprompter he sounds like a moron.

I don't think Obama has ANY idea about what is going on...... The guy knows nothing about nothing unless he has his teleprompter and has something to read from, but outside of that anytime he inserts his own original ideas into anything they sound high school at best.

In short Obama is a puppet - he is reading someone elses material and when he is left to his own means he stumbles and mumbles and says irrelevant nonsense. Hell the guy cant even answer a question and when he does its some sort of a riddle...
 
Dave Mittner said:
He did say that. Radical Islamists are not the same as mainstream Muslims.
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And he felt that needed explaining? No one knew that before?

When his words need clarification and interpretation of what he really meant to say then it's finally time to have another look at this guy..
No, but it does separate them from the recognized leaders and teachings of the Muslim faith.
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All these teaching are recognized, it's just that some have the sense to ignore the bad and understand the good while others. such as Christians for example, can't understand the difference.

I completely disagree. There are some 1.6 billion Muslims in the world with only 20% of them being in the Middle-East, where we see the worst practices of it. But even then, the worst aspects are carried out by a tiny fraction of even that 20%.
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But you are lacking any support for these stats.
I already did.
An estimated 184,000 Muslim terrorists
And it's easy to verify that there are approx. 1.6 billion Muslims on the planet.
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What about those Muslims who sympathize with terrorism, Jihad, a Caliphate, and so on. There are many more than that. The fact is that no one knows how many terrorists there are in the world, nor how many would choose to become terrorists.

184,000 / 1,600,000,000 * 100 = 0.01%[/QUOTE]
 
Mr.Nick said:
Yeah right..... The difference is that Obama needs a teleprompter to sound intelligent and Bush just spoke, and every time Obama doesn't have his teleprompter he sounds like a moron.

I don't think Obama has ANY idea about what is going on...... The guy knows nothing about nothing unless he has his teleprompter and has something to read from, but outside of that anytime he inserts his own original ideas into anything they sound high school at best.

In short Obama is a puppet - he is reading someone elses material and when he is left to his own means he stumbles and mumbles and says irrelevant nonsense. Hell the guy cant even answer a question and when he does its some sort of a riddle...
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The leftists believed Bush was stupid and Obama was smart, despite all the evidence to the contrary. Here's an understanding of why many thousands of people will now have to die, because of Obama and those who voted for him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53S5TKKsAc8
 
Jeez people (many of you anyway)...take a pill.

Obviously what Obama is doing is trying to stop retaliation/hate crimes against Muslims in America/elsewhere by trying to distance ISIS from the Islamic religion.

And though he seems to be failing, I applaud the apparent effort.

Unlike most of you (apparently), I think America should stay out of the Middle East and Obama is handling that region (and the country in general) terribly.

But I give him credit for this.
 
Grant said:
And he felt that needed explaining? No one knew that before?
When his words need clarification and interpretation of what he really meant to say then it's finally time to have another look at this guy..
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Yeah, because his political adversaries would never distort, misrepresent, or confuse what he says...

All these teaching are recognized, it's just that some have the sense to ignore the bad and understand the good while others. such as Christians for example, can't understand the difference.
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So you think that every Imam that teaches the Quran teaches as much about the violence as they do about the peace?
Because if the Imams don't recognize the violent intentions they aren't going to teach them to others.

Just like priests and pastors no longer teach that it's alright to stone your daughters.

But you are lacking any support for these stats.
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I've provided more support for my case than you have for yours.
You don't think our intelligence agencies and other groups haven't estimated the number of terrorists that wish us harm? I even provided you a link to one such estimate. If you disagree with that estimate then cite your own, or explain why you think that estimate is flawed. Ignoring it so you can continue your argument only loses you credibility.
 
Grant said:
The leftists believed Bush was stupid and Obama was smart, despite all the evidence to the contrary. Here's an understanding of why many thousands of people will now have to die, because of Obama and those who voted for him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53S5TKKsAc8
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Is that why Bush was the one to begin planning our withdrawal?
 
DA60 said:
Jeez people (many of you anyway)...take a pill.

Obviously what Obama is doing is trying to stop retaliation/hate crimes against Muslims in America/elsewhere by trying to distance ISIS from the Islamic religion.

And though he seems to be failing, I applaud the apparent effort.

Unlike most of you (apparently), I think America should stay out of the Middle East and Obama is handling that region (and the country in general) terribly.

But I give him credit for this.
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Staying out of the Middle East will not stop terrorism. That Barrack Obama feels he has to explain that there are good and bad Muslims shows his contempt for the American people. Or at least those who voted for him.
 
Grant said:
It seems you've been misinformed.
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U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement
The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.
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This was an agreement that Obama respected and had out troops pulled out shortly before the deadline.
 
President Pinocchio is once again doing what he does best--lying. What he has insisted on denying all along is that what these and other jihadists are doing is inspired directly by the Koran and the hadiths. Whether he covers this up out of sheer incompetence, willful blindness, or a resentful and malicious desire to humble the very country he's sworn to defend, is a matter of opinion.

Of course there are plenty of Muslims who do not think their faith calls on them to take a violent or supremacist stance toward the rest of humanity. They are decent people--but they are the ones with the radical interpretation of Islam. Survey after survey has shown that the lion's share of the population in many Muslim countries believes everyone should live under shariah. The main difference between them and these sons of whores who are burning and burying people alive, or beheading them--women and small children included--is in how to go about imposing it on the world.
 
In my opinion, I regard ISIL as Islamic as much as I regard the KKK to be christian.
 
Are ISIS members Islamists?

Taking these perceived root causes in turn, three quarters of my sample came from the upper or middle class. The vast majority—90 percent—came from caring, intact families. Sixty-three percent had gone to college, as compared with the 5-6 percent that’s usual for the third world. These are the best and brightest of their societies in many ways.

Al Qaeda’s members are not the Palestinian fourteen-year- olds we see on the news, but join the jihad at the average age of 26. Three-quarters were professionals or semi- professionals. They are engineers, architects, and civil engineers, mostly scientists. Very few humanities are represented, and quite surprisingly very few had any background in religion. The natural sciences predominate. Bin Laden himself is a civil engineer, Zawahiri is a physician, Mohammed Atta was, of course, an architect; and a few members are military, such as Mohammed Ibrahim Makawi, who is supposedly the head of the military committee.
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Terrorists are not particularly impoverished, uneducated, or afflicted by mental disease. Demographically, their most important characteristic is normalcy (within their environment). Terrorist leaders actually tend to come from relatively privileged backgrounds. These conclusions are firmly supported by empirical analysis[2]

The study says that the ‘mean age’ at which a Muslim becomes radicalised is 21.6 years, while anyone between the ages of 16 and 32 is regarded as vulnerable.

Most global jihadis are not illiterates raised in poor slums, but from well-off families and with advanced education degrees.

“Sunni extremists accounted for the greatest number of terrorist attacks and fatalities for the third consecutive year,” the report says. “More than 5,700 incidents were attributed to Sunni extremists, accounting for nearly 56 percent of all attacks and about 70 percent of all fatalities.”

More than 95 percent of all suicide bombing attacks conducted worldwide are carried out by Muslim extremists.

Yet another 29.6 percent think the 9/11 attacks were partially or in some way justified. This takes the total world-wide percentage of Muslims who think the mass-slaughter of innocent non-Muslim (and some Muslim) civilians on 9/11 was either completely, partially or some way justified, up to 36.6 percent, or almost 4 out of every 10 Muslim.

mazing as it sounds, according to Esposito and Mogahed, the proper term for a Muslim who hates America, wants to impose Sharia law, supports suicide bombing, and opposes equal rights for women but does not "completely" justify 9/11 is . . . "moderate."[15]
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Peter Neumann, a Professor of Security Studies at King’s College in London, said it was “not surprising” that the terrorist-in-waiting had sympathized with groups on the far-left.

“Converts are often on the look-out for something to which they can dedicate themselves, and they like to experiment with radical environments. They seek out a strong ideology that gives them meaning and structure,” Neumann said.

In the Muslim world, then, we celebrate what we call the martyr-bombers [i.e. suicide-bombers]. To us they are heroes defending the things we hold sacred. Polls in the Middle East show 75% of people in favour of martyr-bombings.[19]
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Do you believe that a non-violent Islam is an impractical, outdated theory? Sixty-five percent of the respondents said Yes, only 35% said No.
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Sudan
The Southern rebellion against the Northern domination lasted half a century -- from 1955 until 2005, with only an eleven year break between 1972 and 1983. In the brutal campaign to Arabize and Islamize the African Christian/traditionalist South, the leaders of the Arab Muslim North killed almost 3 million and ethnically cleansed 4 million more (nearly 80% of the population.)[103]
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Guess what all these perpetrators of violence including the murder of millions of people have in common?

Mr. President and your liberal supporters - think Islam.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Terrorism
 
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Montecresto said:
True, honesty is rarely (wouldn't go so far as you have) part of American politics. However, all Muslims do NOT need to be compared to these extremists for lots of reasons, politics but one.
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They all have the same irrational beliefs. Some of them just go farther than others.
 
Grant said:
Staying out of the Middle East will not stop terrorism. That Barrack Obama feels he has to explain that there are good and bad Muslims shows his contempt for the American people. Or at least those who voted for him.
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Oh for Pete sake, Obama doesn't hate America, what propaganda.
 
Grant said:
Staying out of the Middle East will not stop terrorism. That Barrack Obama feels he has to explain that there are good and bad Muslims shows his contempt for the American people. Or at least those who voted for him.
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Going into the Middle East has promoted terrorism.
 
Montecresto said:
Oh for Pete sake, Obama doesn't hate America, what propaganda.
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I don't think he does either, he just hates the idea that we are the only super power, and doesn't believe that we are a force for good in the world.
 
j-mac said:
I don't think he does either, he just hates the idea that we are the only super power, and doesn't believe that we are a force for good in the world.
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I don't know if he thinks that or not, but he should.
 
j-mac said:
Problem is cap, that it really doesn't matter what you think they are.
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Really? Damn.

I was hoping they would all read that and repent to Sweet Baby Jesus.

What am I supposed to do now?

This "saving the world" gig gets harder the older I get.
 
Montecresto said:
Oh for Pete sake, Obama doesn't hate America, what propaganda.
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It's odd that you have the quote in front of you but still can't respond to the words. I never said Barrack Obama hated America.

This might be a serious problem because this is not the first time it's happened.
 
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