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Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

No but it makes them a believer in one of those things. Religion is a belief. If someone believes they are a Christian, they are a Christian. If someone believes they are a Muslim, they are a Muslim. That's how it works.

Is someone believes the are Superman, does that make it so?
 
Obama is not too bright.

Judging by your previous post, I would say that in the IQ department, President Obama doesn't have to worry about competition from the likes of you!
 
Is someone believes the are Superman, does that make it so?

Their belief? Yes. Superman? Nope. No more than believing in God makes God real.
 
That's right people...

If Obama disagrees with that you are the religion you say you are that means you're not that religion

Thank god this kind of stupid standard isn't actually the standard, or else all the idiots accusing Obama of lying about being Christian and really being Muslim would suddenly have a leg to stand on

Yes, Isis is fundamentally Islamic in its makeup and foundational philosophy. Saying and acknowledging that fact and reality doesn't mean all Muslims agree with their stances or interpretations. This ridiculous attempt to deny reality in a backwards attempt at bending over backwards to disassociate them from a clear factor in their actions is not just dishonest but irresponsible. If you want to specific that they are a fundamentalist version, that's fine. But to claim they're not Islamic is just pure hogwash


Here's another comment on the subject:

‘ISIL Is Not Islamic’? Is Obama Completely Insane?

Barack Obama told the entire nation that “ISIL is not Islamic”. Well, then what in the world are they? Atheists? And what is Obama going to try to convince us of next? That the Pope is not Catholic?'

‘ISIL Is Not Islamic’? Is Obama Completely Insane?
 
As usual, you cannot refute what I said and instead resort to personal attacks. Just because they call themselves Islamic, doesn't make it so. But please continue with your foaming at the mouth comments.
It's not a personal attack. I don't even know who you are.

Why do you deny they are Muslims when they call themselves Muslims? Is there any evidence whatsoever that they are not?
 
So damned if he does, damned if he doesn't?
How so? he didn't have to mention Islam at all.

Explaining who the enemy is and who isn't the enemy is an important thing when trying to justify a conflict. And I see so many Americans think that Islam as a whole is a problem, he really has to explain that it isn't. That's him being the leader Republicans so love to claim he's not.
Perhaps his followers need this explained to them, but they are the only ones.
 
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Lefties trying to persuade everyone else ISIS isn't Islamic because Obama said so. :rofl

I knew they believed Obama to a certain ludicrous point but believing an Islamic group is not an Islamic group becomes dangerous when it stops being comical.
 
Obama knows that their behavior isn't consistent with Islam despite their claims. Really all that matters, you and the others making hay with this are ok, it's what partisans do.

You seem to think Barrack Obama knows and understands who are real Muslims and who isn't. If these aren't real Muslims has he mentioned where they are? Or maybe he thinks Muslims should be like Christians or Jews. Or perhaps he believes Islam is apolitical.

One thing we know for certain.No matter what Barrack Obama may say, or how ridiculous it might be, there are those loyal followers who will believe every word.
 
Superman is a fictional characters whereas Muslims are real. This shouldn't need explaining.

You can appear ignorant if you want to, but that's up to you.
 
I already explained why it was necessary.
That's just it. Your explanation made no sense. If it did millions of people, including ourselves, wouldn't even be having this conversation.
Which makes no sense since it's not his followers who traditionally claim all of Islam is a danger to us.
Who is saying all of Islam is a danger? Can you name names here? I have never heard anyone say that.
 
That's just it. Your explanation made no sense. If it did millions of people, including ourselves, wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Just because people refuse to change their opinions doesn't mean Obama didn't have the obligation, as a leader, to try to calm tensions against an innocent group of people.

Who is saying all of Islam is a danger? Can you name names here? I have never heard anyone say that.

You haven't been paying very close attention to the past 13 years. There's been a consistent section of the American population that believes Islam is inherently a violent religion and seek to convince other people of that. That's classic fear-mongering and classic dehumanizing, both of which are preludes to the justification of violence against a group of people.

If you need names, plenty of people voted "No" in this recent poll on this very site:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/203954-islam-religion-peace.html
 
Just because people refuse to change their opinions doesn't mean Obama didn't have the obligation, as a leader, to try to calm tensions against an innocent group of people.
Is that what he was doing? Calming tensions? How does it calm tensions when a US President says obviously goofy things?
You haven't been paying very close attention to the past 13 years. There's been a consistent section of the American population that believes Islam is inherently a violent religion and seek to convince other people of that. That's classic fear-mongering and classic dehumanizing, both of which are preludes to the justification of violence against a group of people.
I have been paying attention but, in case I missed it, who are these group of people? Anyone we have heard of?
If you need names, plenty of people voted "No" in this recent poll on this very site:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/203954-islam-religion-peace.html
And what does this mean to you? That Islam is inherently a violent religion?
 
Is that what he was doing? Calming tensions? How does it calm tensions when a US President says obviously goofy things?

How is it "goofy" to explain that the vast, vast majority of over one billion Muslims aren't out to kill us?
I think that's kind of important.

I have been paying attention but, in case I missed it, who are these group of people? Anyone we have heard of?
And what does this mean to you? That Islam is inherently a violent religion?

I've certainly seen a lot of people state that, along with justifying their stance based on the violence of Mohammed.

But if you really need reality spoon-fed to you, some links proving my point:
God Hates Islam
Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time
Endless Jihad: The Truth about Islam and Violence | Catholic Answers
Top ten reasons why Islam is not a religion of peace
Majority of Americans think Islam promotes violence more than other religions - The Week
 
He's just feeding the dumb liberal tweety birds. Obama has the righties when it comes to being tough on ISIS. He had them at "bomb". He needed to keep what is left of his lefty support intact. If you listen closely, much of that speech was to mollify the left. They way you do that is make stupid statements that they believe.
 
A "vast majority" isn't exactly comforting. How many muslims are there in the world and how many are out to kill us? 10%? 20% ? Still allows for a vast majority that aren't out to kill us but a huge number that do.



How is it "goofy" to explain that the vast, vast majority of over one billion Muslims aren't out to kill us?
I think that's kind of important.



I've certainly seen a lot of people state that, along with justifying their stance based on the violence of Mohammed.

But if you really need reality spoon-fed to you, some links proving my point:
God Hates Islam
Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time
Endless Jihad: The Truth about Islam and Violence | Catholic Answers
Top ten reasons why Islam is not a religion of peace
Majority of Americans think Islam promotes violence more than other religions - The Week
 
It's not a personal attack. I don't even know who you are.

Why do you deny they are Muslims when they call themselves Muslims? Is there any evidence whatsoever that they are not?


The same reason you would deny that Fred Phelps is a Christian or even a Baptist. Because they aren't and just because they say they are doesn't make it so.
 
Not consistent with Islam? here's what the Koran says. The Quran's Verses of Violence

And I'll counter with verses that address the death of innocence.

What Islam Really Says about Killing the Innocent

The Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) has given clear instructions about the behaviour of the Muslim army. He observed:

"Set out for Jihad in the name of Allah and for the sake of Allah. Do not lay hands on the old verging on death, on women, children and babes. Do not steal anything from the booty and collect together all that falls to your lot in the battlefield and do good, for Allah loves the virtuous and the pious."

So great is the respect for humanly feelings in Islam that even the wanton destruction of enemy's crops or property is strictly forbidden. The righteous Caliphs followed closely the teachings of Allah and those of His Apostle in letter and spirit the celebrated address which the first Caliph Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) gave to his army while sending her on the expedition to the Syrian borders is permeated with the noble spirit with which the war in Islam is permitted. He said:

"Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman. nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock. save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone"

It is said that once at the time of conquest, a singing girl was brought to al-Muhajir b. Abu Umayya who had been publicly singing satirical poems about Hadrat Abu Bakr. Muhajir got her hand amputated. When the Caliph heard this news, he was shocked and wrote a letter to Muhajir in the following words:

"I have learnt that you laid hands on a woman who had hurled abuses on me, and, therefore, got her hand amputated. God has not sought vengeance even in the case of polytheism, which is a great crime. He has not permitted mutilation even with regard to manifest infidelity. Try to be considerate and sympathetic in your attitude towards others in future. Never mutilate, because it is a grave offence. God purified Islam and the Muslims from rashness and excessive wrath. You are well aware of the fact that those enemies fell into the hands of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) who had been recklessly abusing him; who had turned him out of his home; and who fought against him, but he never permitted their mutilation."

Another letter written by hadrat 'Umar the Second Caliph, which is addressed to Sa'd b. Abu Waqqas, speaks eloquently of the noble spirit with which the Muslims have bear exhorted to take up arms:

"Always search your minds and hearts and stress upon your men the need of perfect integrity and sincerity in the cause of Allah. There should be no material end before them in laying down their lives. but they abould deem it a means whereby they can please their Lord and entitle them. selves to His favour: such a spirit of selflessness should be inculcated in the minds of those who unfortunately lack it. Be firm in the thick of the battle as Allah helps man according to the perseverance that he shows in the cause of His faith and he would be rewarded in accordance with the spirit of sacrifice which he displays for the sake of the Lord. Be careful that those who have been entrusted to your care receive no harm at your hands and are never deprived of any of their legitimate rights."
 
Nope. Not by that logic. Christianity is not the defining element of the KKK. Radical Islam is the defining element of ISIS.

Look up the meaning of the burning cross and you will rethink your statement. Its unfair to label a religion base on a radical segment. This is why many people are turning away from the church. The segment that spews hateful rhetoric gets all the publicity. The Islam religion has over 2.2 billion followers world wide and yet Americans believe they want to kill Americans.
 
It's pretty consistent with all the other Muslim Caliphates, historically speaking, so I'm not sure what you...and he...are basing such an idea.

I, and he would be basing it on the fact that their behavior isn't consistent with the rest of Islam, the other billion.
 
Says who? Since there is no demonstrable "true" version of Islam, just like there isn't any demonstrable "true" version of Christianity, how do we know that their behavior isn't consistent with their particular interpretation of the Qur'an? After all, as I keep saying, there are more than 33,000 distinct sects of Christianity. Prove which one of them, if any, are consistent with Christianity.

Obama's statement had nothing to do with Christianity. And these guys aren't practicing what their contemporaries are, that's all Obama was saying.
 
Not consistent with Islam? here's what the Koran says. The Quran's Verses of Violence

"By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124494788

Ezekiel 9:6 "Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women . . . "

Isaiah 13:16 "Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished."

Deuteronomy 13:15 "Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly . . . "

Leviticus 20:9 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death . . . "

Exodus 32:27 ". . . Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour."

Deut 21:10-12 "When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; "

Exodus 31:15 " . . . whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death."

Deut 21:21 "And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die . . . "


SEEMS TO BE SOME SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE EXTREMISM OF THE BIBLE AND THAT OF THE QURAN.
 
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You seem to think Barrack Obama knows and understands who are real Muslims and who isn't. If these aren't real Muslims has he mentioned where they are? Or maybe he thinks Muslims should be like Christians or Jews. Or perhaps he believes Islam is apolitical.

One thing we know for certain.No matter what Barrack Obama may say, or how ridiculous it might be, there are those loyal followers who will believe every word.

You know exactly what Obama meant by his statement, have fun. You also know that I'm no loyal follower. You were a loyal follower of Bush, and he was the king of gaff, yet that never deterred you.
 
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