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Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

If you claim to be Christian, but don't believe Jesus is God, are you really Christian?
If you claim to be a follower of Judism, but you don't observe the sabbath, are you really a follower of Judism?
If you claim to be Buddist, but you don't believe in karma or reincarnation, are you Buddist?

I think that's what Obama was saying. If you claim to be a follower of Islam, but you kill innocent children, are you really a follower of Islam? Obama is saying that ISIL is not because they do not actually follow important Islamic teachings.

Except this opens up the notion of saying it's legitimate for fundamentalists to declare that someone isn't Christian because they're pro-choice or because they're pro-gay marriage because their interpritation of what the religions tennents allow differ from the interpritation of those who they declare "false".

Obama doens't believe them to be adhering to Islamic teaching. Those members of ISIS do believe their actions are justified under their religious views.

To say that Obama is justified and accurate in declaring them something other than the religion they claim to be is to state that every fundamentality is justified in doing the same type of thing.

ISIS claims to be Islamic. They seek to instill Islamic tennents in government. They identify as muslim. Obama has no standing to simply tell the American public "they're not Islamic". Yes. Yes they are. They may be a sect of Islam with beliefs and interpritations of their beliefs that you disagree with, but they are none the less Islamic.
 
Now you jump from a few thousand to a few hundred million.
This is as blatant of a misstatement as one can make.

You have just indicted a quarter of the Muslim population as supporting violence against children,
with no evidence since you know that no evidence exists for such an outrageous claim .

The number that is the most widely excepted is that 15-20% are radical. If you go off of that number, you tell me what 15-20% of 1.6 Billion is then. If you want to argue the 15-20% then we can do that, but if you accept it, then hundreds of millions is what we've got.
 
The people are poorly educated in these areas and easily swayed (brain washed) by superstitious beliefs and supercilious, morality based governing.
Most terrorists have been quite well educated yet hat doesn't seem to have made a difference. And many who deflect from the dangers of ISL may be quite well educated also but, unfortunately, an education cannot always cure stupid.
 
ISIS is to Islam as Westboro is to Christianity.

Absolutely, if you're speaking about their relation to the more common "moderate" sect of said religion within the world as opposed to directly comparing them (Westboro is disgusting...I'll take 1000 protests outside of funerals and ignorant claims of what god hates over one beheading for being an infidel of some sort)

And it would be ridiculous to say that Westboro Baptist Church isn't Christian.

It's a fundamentalist, skewed, hateful brand of Christian followers, but they're Christian. Acknowledging that doesn't speak negatively about Christianity or condemn all Christians, it simply recognizes the reality of what they consider themselves.
 
When the majority of them support violence against civilians, and you have a few hundred million of them that are willing to carry it out... Sort of a cause for alarm don't you think?
The majority of posters in this thread support violence on civilians. What's your point?
 
I don't want to say that anything is inherently good or bad, I don't think that's true, but magical thinking, especially the kind of magical thinking held by the adamantly religious, doesn't lead to intelligent, rational, critical thinking, based on evidence and real-world goals. We see that with radical, evangelical Christians today, people who say to cut down all the forests, pollute the environment, destroy everything because Jesus is coming back anyhow, why not? These people are dangerous idiots.
I'd like to see some support for these claims you're making.
 
Absolutely, if you're speaking about their relation to the more common "moderate" sect of said religion within the world as opposed to directly comparing them (Westboro is disgusting...I'll take 1000 protests outside of funerals and ignorant claims of what god hates over one beheading for being an infidel of some sort)

And it would be ridiculous to say that Westboro Baptist Church isn't Christian.

It's a fundamentalist, skewed, hateful brand of Christian followers, but they're Christian. Acknowledging that doesn't speak negatively about Christianity or condemn all Christians, it simply recognizes the reality of what they consider themselves.

These people tend to follow sections of the Old Testament but not the teachings of Jesus Christ.
 
And how many beheadings and acts of barbaric terrorism has Westboro "indirectly" incited ?
Good point! But they did not participate, or film them for political gain.
Some of their other tactics are almost as distasteful.
 
Most terrorists have been quite well educated yet hat doesn't seem to have made a difference. And many who deflect from the dangers of ISL may be quite well educated also but, unfortunately, an education cannot always cure stupid.

Many? I doubt that very seriously, maybe a handful of leaders and technicians. Education doesn't cure the type of stupid rampart in that part of the world, but enough people with some desire for prosperity and knowledge would help.
 
Many? I doubt that very seriously, maybe a handful of leaders and technicians. Education doesn't cure the type of stupid rampart in that part of the world, but enough people with some desire for prosperity and knowledge would help.
I would say 'many', at least on this thread. There seems to be quite a few deflecting from the topic of "ISIL Is Not Islamic" to the subject of Christianity. Why would that be?
 
I would say 'many', at least on this thread. There seems to be quite a few deflecting from the topic of "ISIL Is Not Islamic" to the subject of Christianity. Why would that be?

What? You think this thread is full of islamic fundies? :lamo
 
Directly, you bet.
Would they if they could have--that's the difference between Obama dealing with 435 clowns in D.C. and Putin or ISIL going unchallenged.
Good point! But they did not participate, or film them for political gain.
Some of their other tactics are almost as distasteful.
Yet at the funerals of our fallen soldiers,
we've seen some of these same conservatives on this thread outraged, and rigthtly so as I am.

There comes a time when their free speech infringes on my free speech .
 
When you can prove that large numbers of people of Christian faiths support the actions/efforts of the KKK just as large numbers of people of Islamic and Muslim faiths support the actions/efforts of ISIL/ISIS/IS then you might have a point.

You sure as hell do!

Well said.
 
Well it is at least clear that you wish to wage war on the entire religion of 1.6 billion followers. That is just nuts.

As an analogy, many on the American left want to wage war on Saudi Arabia because that's the birthplace of bin Laden and 19 of the 9/11 hijackers as well as many Wahhabi fundamentalists whose teachings raise radical youth. But we all know not all Saudis are terrorists or terrorist trainers, don't we? But that doesn't mean that we don't also hold Saudis responsible for what they produce and we urge them to do a better job of fighting against the radical elements in their society.

How is wanting the 1.6 billion followers you reference to act a little more vocally and meaningfully against the radicals in their midst any different?
 
Oh, did you ever read the Qur'an? All over the world it's MUSLIMS killing their neighbors be they Jewish, Christian or other Muslims. People like you like keep defending the savages until your bowing to the east. Wake up. They want us all dead.
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But he's so eloquent....

It's amazing that he has such a hard time saying what he really means.

Well yeah you're cute. Probably think that you're removed from the rest of humanity in having never made a statement that an opportunist would exploit. You too think that Obama thinks that ISIS militants are Jews or Hindus, perhaps Episcopalian.
 
Oh, did you ever read the Qur'an? All over the world it's MUSLIMS killing their neighbors be they Jewish, Christian or other Muslims. People like you like keep defending the savages until your bowing to the east. Wake up. They want us all dead.
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I may have not have read the Quran but I suspect you did not read it either.
 
Who said that? Don't you even try to appear intelligent?

Didn't you say that, which doesn't really question my intellect.

You said "most terrorists have been quite well educated."
I said, "Many? I doubt that very seriously, maybe a handful of leaders and technicians."
Then you said "I would say 'many', at least on this thread."

You think this thread has many terrorists?
 
Didn't you say that, which doesn't really question my intellect.

You said "most terrorists have been quite well educated."
I said, "Many? I doubt that very seriously, maybe a handful of leaders and technicians."
Then you said "I would say 'many', at least on this thread."

You think this thread has many terrorists?

Best respond to the quotes when you actually read them.
 
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