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Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

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"Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim."

Oh really? There has been an ongoing war, even before ISIS, with Sunni and Shia Muslims killing each other, and both killing Christians - so exactly who is innocent and who is guilty?

Whether you like it or not, the name of the terrorist group is 'Islamic State'. They want a government governed strictly by Sharia, or Islamic, law. So yes, they are Islamic - the most fundamentalist form of Islam, but Islam. The Muslims are waiting for their 'Mahdi' - who is the anti-Christ. The Islamic religion itself is anti-Christian. It was created to directly oppose the notion that Jesus Christ died for the sins of mankind, and the Koran says explicitly that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God. So who is so adamantly opposed to Christ? I mean, there is no other religion that takes the religious text of another religion and twists it around to mean something else. The Virgin Mary appears in the Koran, as well as Jesus... only their roles have been changed. Those who think that they are following the same God of Abraham are mistaken - Allah is the ancient moon-god, and the crescent and star derive from him. So who is it that desperately wants mankind to NOT accept Jesus Christ as Savior - why the devil, of course.

Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic" | Video | RealClearPolitics
 
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That's right people...

If Obama disagrees with that you are the religion you say you are that means you're not that religion

Thank god this kind of stupid standard isn't actually the standard, or else all the idiots accusing Obama of lying about being Christian and really being Muslim would suddenly have a leg to stand on

Yes, Isis is fundamentally Islamic in its makeup and foundational philosophy. Saying and acknowledging that fact and reality doesn't mean all Muslims agree with their stances or interpretations. This ridiculous attempt to deny reality in a backwards attempt at bending over backwards to disassociate them from a clear factor in their actions is not just dishonest but irresponsible. If you want to specific that they are a fundamentalist version, that's fine. But to claim they're not Islamic is just pure hogwash
 
I think he's trying to go No True Scotsman and say that ISIL doesn't represent Islam, but if there was a worse way to spit it out, I can't imagine.
 
I think he's trying to go No True Scotsman and say that ISIL doesn't represent Islam, but if there was a worse way to spit it out, I can't imagine.

That's exactly what he meant, and it is an unfortunate way of saying it. Just like as a small business owner, I knew what he meant when he said that I didn't build it by myself, but I also knew it was going to go over like a lead balloon.
 
That's exactly what he meant, and it is an unfortunate way of saying it. Just like as a small business owner, I knew what he meant when he said that I didn't build it by myself, but I also knew it was going to go over like a lead balloon.

Agreed. Perhaps he was using the obvious fallacy thinking most people just aren't educated enough to see through the fallacy. :shrug:
 
Agreed. Perhaps he was using the obvious fallacy thinking most people just aren't educated enough to see through the fallacy. :shrug:

C'mon dude, not unlike Bush or any president before him, he stated an obvious, that IS isn't Islamic in the sense that they don't represent it at all, in a very awkward and unfortunate way. Which always gives your opposition room to ridicule you and distract from the more important. So squeeze it for all you can get, and have your laughs, and then we'll move on, I'll not blame you for having some fun.
 
"Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim."

The point, which is apparently lost on conservatives, is that if one claims to be a religious "nation" one should uphold the tenets of that religion. Islam does not condone the slaughter of innocent children.

As the President said:
No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim. And ISIL is certainly not a state. It was formerly al Qaeda’s affiliate in Iraq, and has taken advantage of sectarian strife and Syria’s civil war to gain territory on both sides of the Iraq-Syrian border. It is recognized by no government, nor the people it subjugates. ISIL is a terrorist organization, pure and simple. And it has no vision other than the slaughter of all who stand in its way.

In a region that has known so much bloodshed, these terrorists are unique in their brutality. They execute captured prisoners. They kill children. They enslave, rape, and force women into marriage. They threatened a religious minority with genocide. In acts of barbarism, they took the lives of two American journalists — Jim Foley and Steven Sotloff.
I mean really, the lengths conservatives will go to claim Obama is wrong is disheartening.
 
C'mon dude, not unlike Bush or any president before him, he stated an obvious, that IS isn't Islamic in the sense that they don't represent it at all, in a very awkward and unfortunate way. Which always gives your opposition room to ridicule you and distract from the more important. So squeeze it for all you can get, and have your laughs, and then we'll move on, I'll not blame you for having some fun.

Anything to detract from the obvious difficulty of the Present Moment Awareness of the situation with these guys.
With the internet capability that ISIL has shown, you'd think the Party of Patriotism would know better.
But there's an election in 54 days as Jack Kingston-R-GA would say, and why should we GOPs have to go on the record ?
 
"You say ISIL
I say ISIS
You say JV I say crisis.
ISIL, ISIS
Jihadi, jihardi
Let's call the whole thing golf"
 
The point, which is apparently lost on conservatives, is that if one claims to be a religious "nation" one should uphold the tenets of that religion. Islam does not condone the slaughter of innocent children.

As the President said:
I mean really, the lengths conservatives will go to claim Obama is wrong is disheartening.
You have to expect this 24/7/365--it's what they've proven to be.
Mark each new day on the calendar and the latest lows they go to and realize that each new day they will try to outdo each other.
This is what the right-wing hate machine has become.
I must battle them every day until my last dying breath .
 
Agreed. Perhaps he was using the obvious fallacy thinking most people just aren't educated enough to see through the fallacy. :shrug:

Oh, well said!
 
You have to expect this 24/7/365--it's what they've proven to be.
Mark each new day on the calendar and the latest lows they go to and realize that each new day they will try to outdo each other.
This is what the right-wing hate machine has become.
I must battle them every day until my last dying breath .

Oh NIMBY. Dont' be such a drama queen. You don't have to do battle. Live, love and laugh. It's much, much better for you. And besides, ISIS is Islamic in origen - or did you think they got their inspiration from Jerry Falwell?
 
If you claim to be Christian, but don't believe Jesus is God, are you really Christian?
If you claim to be a follower of Judism, but you don't observe the sabbath, are you really a follower of Judism?
If you claim to be Buddist, but you don't believe in karma or reincarnation, are you Buddist?

I think that's what Obama was saying. If you claim to be a follower of Islam, but you kill innocent children, are you really a follower of Islam? Obama is saying that ISIL is not because they do not actually follow important Islamic teachings.
 
ISIS is to Islam as Westboro is to Christianity.
 
ISIL is not Islamic and America is not a Christian nation.
 
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ISIS is to Islam as Westboro is to Christianity.

ISIS, al-Quaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah........

The chasm in your analogy is prodigious.
 
Isis is to Islam as Robert Bales is to Christian Crusader.
 
ISIS is to Islam as Westboro is to Christianity.
As distasteful as Westboro has been, So far as I know they have not been accredited
with any beheadings.
 
ISIL is not Islamic and America is not a Christian nation.

Umm yes it is.

ISIS or ISIL

Islamic state of Iraq and Syria or Islamic state in Iraq and Levant (which is a much larger territory than just syria. it includes lebanon and Jordan.

This group is a very fundimentalist islamic group. so yes they are islamic.
 
You have to expect this 24/7/365--it's what they've proven to be.
Mark each new day on the calendar and the latest lows they go to and realize that each new day they will try to outdo each other.
This is what the right-wing hate machine has become.
I must battle them every day until my last dying breath .

LOL

Dang N, you sure pick some interesting hills to die on.

In the flavor of your post, what the left wing hate machine is trying to suggest is the President just didn't articulate his point very well about ISIL not being Islam. Of course they are Islam, just not the Islam the President wants people to know about.

Let's get real, you paint a few radical Christians as representing all of Christianity all the time, but turn around and write about dying breaths in your crusade to bring truth where you perceive none exists? You need less Tequila and more sunlight.

Wrong hills to die on my friend.
 
ISIS is to Islam as Westboro is to Christianity.

:shock:

Are you kidding me? Come on R88. Westboro is a few wackjobs pretending to be a Church. ISIL has taken over portions of nations. My word, the lack of any subatomic particle of equivalency is glaring.
 
I think he's trying to go No True Scotsman and say that ISIL doesn't represent Islam, but if there was a worse way to spit it out, I can't imagine.

Why is it that the supposedly most eloquent man to ever hold the office of President of the United States continuously has to have someone explain what he really meant to say?

Can't we just acknowledge that the man is often just plainly idiotic and leave it at that?
 
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