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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Have you ever considered making an intelligent statement that distinguishes your position as more valid instead of all the simple-minded apologia? What's next -- "Conservaties are big pooopooheads?"

    If you understanding nothing at all more complex than "I gotta take the opposite position of conservatve", you really don't have much.
    Considering I didn't do what you are accusing me of, I find your thought process fascinating. It seems that you're the one who has "gotta take the opposite position" to me.


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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL

    Your really on it today 88. So lets see:

    ISIS is to Islam as Westboro is to Christianity


    As I understood it, you're suggesting Westboro doesn't represent Christianity any more than ISIS represent Islam.

    Agreed, Westboro doesn't represent Christianity. But ISIL? It most certainly does represent Islam. Obviously it does. A wicked warped version, but most certainly to it's follower, Islam for sure. That may not represent how some people want Islam to be viewed for, but that is just delusional thinking.

    If tens of thousands joined Westboro, it wouldn't be possible to argue they don't represent Christianity, at least in the warped twisted way the view it.

    But to make such a nonexistent comparison, and then seek to offend to defend it, is pretty lame.
    Tens of thousands of people joining Westboro wouldn't make it more in keeping with the teachings of Christ. That come from how they act, and how they represent their beliefs. Similarly, tens of thousands of followers wouldn't make ISIS more in keeping with the beliefs of Islam.


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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Certainly, the case can be made that the KKK is a Christian organization. It's beliefs and teachings are based on a particular interpretation of the Bible and, while I haven't done any research into the group in many years, their website right now is filled with Christian sayings and Bible quotes. A movement doesn't have to be large or popular in order to be religious.
    But that is the point that I, and others are trying to make. What makes Islam, TODAY, the most dangerous religion in the world, is the wide spread support for this kind of violence. While the KKK are relegated to holding the occasional rally where more people come to them to shout them down then to support them, you have an army of them right now in the middle east with empirical ambitions. It's not just the numbers that are involved in these violent organizations, but the support these violent regimes have from most Muslims around the world. Hell, I use to at least believe that if you were Muslim in a western country, where you were exposed to modern society and varying cultures, it would be different. But look at kid like that Mccain Macarthur kid who seemed normal enough and then ran off to join ISIS. For something like that to happened, there is something deeply wrong with that religion, or at least so far as it's leaders are portraying it...

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    When you can prove that large numbers of people of Christian faiths support the actions/efforts of the KKK just as large numbers of people of Islamic and Muslim faiths support the actions/efforts of ISIL/ISIS/IS then you might have a point.
    There were large numbers of "Christian" KKK members when they were at their apex.


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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    This brings up a good point that regardless of the religion, crazy is crazy, and fanaticism seems to be the problem more than a particular religion. OT has some pretty rough solutions for problems that we don't follow because of our laws and separation of church and state.
    It's not just that, we in the west had consciously made the decision long ago that Christianity would move past those archaic beliefs. That's why you don't have pastors spouting off trying to justify slavery or whatnot, the religion evolved. Something that Islam has shown an inability to accomplish.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Certainly, the case can be made that the KKK is a Christian organization. It's beliefs and teachings are based on a particular interpretation of the Bible and, while I haven't done any research into the group in many years, their website right now is filled with Christian sayings and Bible quotes. A movement doesn't have to be large or popular in order to be religious.
    Agreed - which is why the President's comments are so absurd. My point was that comparing ISIS/ISIL/IS to the KKK is faulty because the former is very popular in Islamic/Muslim circles whereas the latter is not in Christian circles.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Tens of thousands of people joining Westboro wouldn't make it more in keeping with the teachings of Christ. That come from how they act, and how they represent their beliefs. Similarly, tens of thousands of followers wouldn't make ISIS more in keeping with the beliefs of Islam.
    Thanks for your opinion. I believe the facts speak for themselves and will leave it at that.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    But that is the point that I, and others are trying to make. What makes Islam, TODAY, the most dangerous religion in the world, is the wide spread support for this kind of violence. While the KKK are relegated to holding the occasional rally where more people come to them to shout them down then to support them, you have an army of them right now in the middle east with empirical ambitions. It's not just the numbers that are involved in these violent organizations, but the support these violent regimes have from most Muslims around the world. Hell, I use to at least believe that if you were Muslim in a western country, where you were exposed to modern society and varying cultures, it would be different. But look at kid like that Mccain Macarthur kid who seemed normal enough and then ran off to join ISIS. For something like that to happened, there is something deeply wrong with that religion, or at least so far as it's leaders are portraying it...
    So let's say that in 50 years, the support for ISIS dries up into nothing as the KKK has? Does that make them more Islamic now? You're comparing the KKK today with ISIS today, and there's really no comparison between the two. We don't know what ISIS will look like in 50-100 years.

    You have to compare the KKK at its height with ISIS today, and while their tactics etc were clearly different, that doesn't mean that the KKK at its height represented the Christian religion.


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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    There were large numbers of "Christian" KKK members when they were at their apex.
    And what of today? What is it with you people (and by that, I mean blind supporters of Islam being a religion of peace) in needing to dredge up history in order to support your stance. Keep in mind, all you are doing is defeating your own argument. This isn't a question of which religion is better than another, it's about which religion is the greater threat to innocent lives in the world today. By bringing up examples like that, you only show that Christianity has moved passed those stances.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    There were large numbers of "Christian" KKK members when they were at their apex.
    Maybe now we're getting someplace. I don't know the details, but let's just say I agree with you. You're now claiming that the KKK is Christian because at it's height it had strong Christian support for it's bastardized view of Christian teachings. Therefore, why is it not also true that ISIS/ISIL/IS is thoroughly Islamic because it's clearly at it's height today and there is clearly strong Muslim/Islamic support for it both in the ME and in Muslim/Islamic communities throughout the world?

    Clearly, you now agree that the President's statement was idiotic nonsense.
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