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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do you think that a President's power to act in this country is directly related to the will of the people?
    I prefer, as I always have, for congress to declare war. That is how it should be done. Presidents, and not congress either for that matter, do not put everything to a vote and wait for approval. They are elected to act in our interest, but not to act as we vote from moment to moment.

    That said, much of the criticism he faces is exaggerated and often part of a misrepresentation. He is right to separate ISIS from Islam. He is right to put the threat in proper perspective. And the people do want us back in Iraq. But have no fear, another election cycle is around the corner. Choose wisely young padawan.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What is this? "I'm rubber, you're glue"? Grow up....

    Anyway, by all means:

    "Large Majority of Americans Lack Confidence in Obama Mission to Destroy ISIS"

    Large Majority of Americans Lack Confidence in Obama Mission to Destroy ISIS, Poll Shows - NBC News
    LOL Of course the lack confidence in any operations in the M.E. What else can they think after the cluster*uck of Bush's invasion of Iraq? The bar has been set very low.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Obama made a stupid statement, and people see that..."DAESH"? How many names are we going to invent for this group of scum? What's next? "Fuzzy Bunny"?
    Your President made a factual statement, which has been echoed by Muslims around the world. Their behaviour is not Islamic. The stupidity lies with those who repeat the lie that they are, and validate the name they falsely give themselves.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Sorry to break this up a bit, but I want to keep thoughts separate as they should be:

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I prefer, as I always have, for congress to declare war. That is how it should be done.
    Then you must be supremely disappointed in Obama right about now.

    and not congress either for that matter, do not put everything to a vote and wait for approval.
    Why not? Isn't that primarily how the founders set it up? Was the vote not meant to slow things down so that we as a people could make measured decisions? So that the power wasn't set up in one branch, or office for that matter, or even person? Instead, what we have today is Obama using the false premise of congress not doing anything, by having Harry Reid stop anything that doesn't match the agenda and then Obama is using his office to act unilaterally, and some say illegally, while the useful idiots in the masses, and media all blame it on the prior administration. It's a slick ruse, but a ruse none the less.

    They are elected to act in our interest, but not to act as we vote from moment to moment.
    The Constitution is clear on how power is delegated...

    That said, much of the criticism he faces is exaggerated and often part of a misrepresentation.
    I would say it is Obama, and his supporters that are the misrepresenting party here.

    He is right to separate ISIS from Islam.
    I don't think so. These people are adamant in their fervent belief.

    He is right to put the threat in proper perspective.
    "proper perspective" in minds like yours and Obama's is to wait and see if another mass casualty attack takes place, then commission a study of what went wrong, by then he'll be out of office...

    And the people do want us back in Iraq.
    Most people with any military experience at all knew that we shouldn't have pulled out.

    But have no fear, another election cycle is around the corner. Choose wisely young padawan.
    A demo started Vietnam, and now another demo is starting this war using the same template to start this one, and I see nothing has changed on how demo messes will be blamed on the next repub to take office.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Your President made a factual statement, which has been echoed by Muslims around the world. Their behaviour is not Islamic. The stupidity lies with those who repeat the lie that they are, and validate the name they falsely give themselves.
    No, it was a lie...The Koran has over 190 verses in it speaking of putting "non believers" to death in the name of Allah. I know of NO other religion in the world that calls for those not willing to convert to their religion be killed...

    Islam is a fraud, that was thought up by a scumbag pedophile in the 7th century.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sorry to break this up a bit, but I want to keep thoughts separate as they should be:
    No, ususally they go together and breaking them up often distorts. Its often used to deliberately miss the point.

    Then you must be supremely disappointed in Obama right about now.
    A tad. But then again, he hasn't invaded a country based on a pretext yet. But we should have congress declare war if we're going to fight a war.



    Why not? Isn't that primarily how the founders set it up? Was the vote not meant to slow things down so that we as a people could make measured decisions? So that the power wasn't set up in one branch, or office for that matter, or even person? Instead, what we have today is Obama using the false premise of congress not doing anything, by having Harry Reid stop anything that doesn't match the agenda and then Obama is using his office to act unilaterally, and some say illegally, while the useful idiots in the masses, and media all blame it on the prior administration. It's a slick ruse, but a ruse none the less.
    NO, they didn't. Otherwise they'd have set up a direct democracy as opposed to a representative democracy. There was no expectation that every issue would be put to a vote. None. In fact, they deliberately chose not to have a direct democracy.

    What was meant to be slowed down down were constitutional changes. And some laws. But largely congress votes, and not us. Our representatives battle it out. Not us. We merely talk to our representatives, but they are free to act as they think wise, and see if we vote them out next election. But we don't vote on each issue. They do.

    And there are places, like it or not, that a president can act if the congress doesn't (and has been done long before Obama).


    The Constitution is clear on how power is delegated...
    No one said otherwise. Here is where your cutting up is losing the point.

    I would say it is Obama, and his supporters that are the misrepresenting party here.
    Both sides do it, to be sure, but as the criticism of Obama is concerned, your party has lost it completely.

    I don't think so. These people are adamant in their fervent belief.
    Which people? You would be incorrect is you include all of those with an Islamic faith. Most believes are not radicals.

    "proper perspective" in minds like yours and Obama's is to wait and see if another mass casualty attack takes place, then commission a study of what went wrong, by then he'll be out of office...
    Again, completely false. It's a trick your side uses to try and avoid any actual discussion.

    Most people with any military experience at all knew that we shouldn't have pulled out.
    Most knew we shouldn't have gone in, but that's another issue. It's about what our goal is. If we want eternal occupation, then we shouldn't have left on Bush's and Iraq's schedule. But no matter when we were to leave, this was always going to be the response. It is the consequence of our invading and creating the vacuum.

    A demo started Vietnam, and now another demo is starting this war using the same template to start this one, and I see nothing has changed on how demo messes will be blamed on the next repub to take office.
    Actually, Bush started this. All of this is due to Bush invading in the first place.

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