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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Murderers find a way to justify their actions. The words in the book aren't important. ISIL would have been just as evil if they had bibles.
    I don't think so, not unless the Bible thumper was going by OT guidelines which are filled with holy rituals, punishments for social injustices and calls from God to go to war. Otherwise, the NT did away with such things. Now, that doesn't mean that some people still don't use certain OT passages to convince people that what they say is true. The example of the separation of the races or "I [God] knew you while you were but in the womb" as justification against abortion. (And please, let's not go there, okay; I'm just giving examples of how people sometimes use scripture to their advantage.) People twist the words in scripture from the Bible and the Qur'on all the time to suit their own agenda. It's only through deep study is a deeper understanding of Scripture attained.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I think you need to re-read my statements. I said it was sad, not that I was sad. Your comments demonstrate a lack of reading comprehension.
    So youu are not sad at all then? That's good to hear.
    People are responsible solely for THEIR own actions.
    No, they are not. Many are taught to behave in a certain way and they will behave in that way. There is plenty of information available on the subject, and you might start with 'brainwashing', or the Third Way experiment in California.
    Tell me, when there is gun violence, do you blame the gun, the bullets, or the shooter? Same thing here. The book is an object, the text is an object. The object doesn't MAKE people act. Sad you don't realize that. You must hate guns too since you like to blame objects for the woes of the world.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, they are not. Many are taught to behave in a certain way and they will behave in that way. There is plenty of information available on the subject, and you might start with 'brainwashing', or the Third Way experiment in California.
    So you don't believe in personal responsibility, you believe in blaming others. BTW, even in your example it is PEOPLE, not a book, that does the brainwashing. If I leave a book on the table, it doesn't brainwash someone. It is PEOPLE (i.e. extremists) that are the problem, not a text. You fail to grasp reality and instead blame a book. How pathetic.

    Be an adult.
    Take your own advice, what I said you cannot refute. You are just as bad as those who blame guns instead of the people.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I don't think so, not unless the Bible thumper was going by OT guidelines which are filled with holy rituals, punishments for social injustices and calls from God to go to war. Otherwise, the NT did away with such things. Now, that doesn't mean that some people still don't use certain OT passages to convince people that what they say is true. The example of the separation of the races or "I [God] knew you while you were but in the womb" as justification against abortion. (And please, let's not go there, okay; I'm just giving examples of how people sometimes use scripture to their advantage.) People twist the words in scripture from the Bible and the Qur'on all the time to suit their own agenda. It's only through deep study is a deeper understanding of Scripture attained.
    That's total nonsense. There are plenty of U.S.-based Christian groups that are very adamantly for killing gay people, for instance. They just can't do it because secular society moderates their behavior. However, that doesn't stop them from going to places like Uganda, where a very heavily evangelical Christian population almost passed a death-penalty-for-gays law. They still passed a law requiring life in prison for any homosexual caught in the country. This isn't Islam, it's CHRISTIANITY!
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I don't think so, not unless the Bible thumper was going by OT guidelines which are filled with holy rituals, punishments for social injustices and calls from God to go to war. Otherwise, the NT did away with such things. Now, that doesn't mean that some people still don't use certain OT passages to convince people that what they say is true. The example of the separation of the races or "I [God] knew you while you were but in the womb" as justification against abortion. (And please, let's not go there, okay; I'm just giving examples of how people sometimes use scripture to their advantage.) People twist the words in scripture from the Bible and the Qur'on all the time to suit their own agenda. It's only through deep study is a deeper understanding of Scripture attained.
    The difference between JudeoChristian beliefs and teaching and Islamic teachings in the way we view those beliefs and teachings. Modern day Jews and Christians know that the Old Testament accounts were in a specific time, place, and context and were part of a continuing story of 'the chosen people of God'. They were not intended as instruction for us to emulate now. Likewise modern day Christians understand that Jesus was the promised Messiah and was the fulfillment of the Law and paid the penalty for all of us who break the Law as well as demonstrating that this life is not all there is but that eternal life awaits us. Both believing Jews and Christians alike will have their sinners and bad eggs, but overall live their lives in a society that is fair, just, and emulates the compassion and concern for people that we believe God asks of us.

    Islam on the other hand, regardless of whatever subgroup it identifies with, believes Allah commands Islam to bring all people on Earth under the authority and law of Allah and all who resist are worthy of contempt and death. For Islam it is not what is in a person's heart that counts, but whether the person is subject to the authority of Allah and those he commands to enforce it. Militant Islam chooses to utilize terror and chaos to accomplish that. Less militant Islam is more likely to bide their unlimited time and wait for the opportunity to make it happen. But EVERYWHERE that there are enough Muslims to be noticeable, there is a push for more and more accommodation for Islam and more push for more of Shariah Law to be implemented. This inevitably increases as the Muslim population increases. And EVERYWHERE that Muslims obtain a majority, it will be Muslim Law that prevails and all other is either outlawed or substantially oppressed.

    For those who value their faith, their beliefs, their personal liberties, Islam is something to be seriously resisted.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you don't believe in personal responsibility, you believe in blaming others. BTW, even in your example it is PEOPLE, not a book, that does the brainwashing. If I leave a book on the table, it doesn't brainwash someone. It is PEOPLE (i.e. extremists) that are the problem, not a text. You fail to grasp reality and instead blame a book. How pathetic.
    Extremists are bad. Great call.
    Take your own advice, what I said you cannot refute. You are just as bad as those who blame guns instead of the people.
    Maybe worse!

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's total nonsense. There are plenty of U.S.-based Christian groups that are very adamantly for killing gay people, for instance. They just can't do it because secular society moderates their behavior. However, that doesn't stop them from going to places like Uganda, where a very heavily evangelical Christian population almost passed a death-penalty-for-gays law. They still passed a law requiring life in prison for any homosexual caught in the country. This isn't Islam, it's CHRISTIANITY!
    What is the name of this Christian group which wants to kill Gays and how many members does it have?

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's exactly what he meant, and it is an unfortunate way of saying it. Just like as a small business owner, I knew what he meant when he said that I didn't build it by myself, but I also knew it was going to go over like a lead balloon.
    I agree. But an audience also has a responsibility to try to understand and not overblow and misrepresent what is being said.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I agree. But an audience also has a responsibility to try to understand and not overblow and misrepresent what is being said.
    It must have been the fault of the teleprompter. We know that The Silver Tongued Orator would not say anything this stupid on his own.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What is the name of this Christian group which wants to kill Gays and how many members does it have?
    There isn't just one, there are plenty. You can Google them yourself, I'm sure, but one of the most prominent is Abiding Truth Ministries, headed by Scott Lively, who was directly involved in influencing Ugandan Christians to push for the death-penalty-for-gays laws.
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