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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "Dubya" was used by Bush supporters and detractors, like it or not. OCF's attempt to justify referring to Obama as "Hussein" by invoking "Dubya" is laughably dishonest.
    So what is wrong with referring to Obama by his middle name?

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The intent is patently obvious.

    As I said before, did we refer to Reagan as "Wilson"? Did we refer to Nixon as "Milhouse"? Did we refer to Kennedy as "Fitzgerald"?

    He's got a weird, foreign, *gasp* Muslim-sounding middle name, and you're using that to further your perception of him as an un-American outsider.
    It is his middle name is it not?

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    So what is wrong with referring to Obama by his middle name?
    It increases the likelihood you are a bigot.

    Deal with it.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    That's right people...

    If Obama disagrees with that you are the religion you say you are that means you're not that religion

    Thank god this kind of stupid standard isn't actually the standard, or else all the idiots accusing Obama of lying about being Christian and really being Muslim would suddenly have a leg to stand on

    Yes, Isis is fundamentally Islamic in its makeup and foundational philosophy. Saying and acknowledging that fact and reality doesn't mean all Muslims agree with their stances or interpretations. This ridiculous attempt to deny reality in a backwards attempt at bending over backwards to disassociate them from a clear factor in their actions is not just dishonest but irresponsible. If you want to specific that they are a fundamentalist version, that's fine. But to claim they're not Islamic is just pure hogwash
    Absolutely that was a stupid statement from the President.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    It is his middle name is it not?
    You know goddamn well it is; stop being obtuse.

    I assume you'll be referring to all Presidents by their middle names from now on. Either that, or you have exposed yourself as little more than a partisan hack.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    They already had a Mahdi, he kicked the arse of the British and Egyptians in Sudan a few hundred years ago.
    Exactly what 'Mahdi' event are you claiming? references please.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by kramercat View Post
    Exactly what 'Mahdi' event are you claiming? references please.
    I can't remember the exact dates off the top of my head, but I was in Sudan in the 1800's, they killed Charles Gordon when they took Khartoum, defeated a bunch of better armed soldiers several times. His followers were called the Ansar, but the British called the Dervishes.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I can't remember the exact dates off the top of my head, but I was in Sudan in the 1800's, they killed Charles Gordon when they took Khartoum, defeated a bunch of better armed soldiers several times. His followers were called the Ansar, but the British called the Dervishes.
    Well, the Sudanese leader proclaimed himself to be the Mahdi, but certainly wasn't. The black African Muslims revolted against the Arab Muslims and also the British colonialists. The same situation exists in Sudan today, namely the persecution of black African Muslims by Arab Muslims.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It increases the likelihood you are a bigot.

    Deal with it.
    A bigot against whom? His mother?

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    The point, which is apparently lost on conservatives, is that if one claims to be a religious "nation" one should uphold the tenets of that religion. Islam does not condone the slaughter of innocent children.
    As the President said:
    I mean really, the lengths conservatives will go to claim Obama is wrong is disheartening.
    Islam is the religion of peace? Oh really...

    'In Islam, all non-Muslims are called unbelievers or infidels. The treatment of the infidels in Islam is divided into two categories. The polytheists, pagans, idolaters and heathens have the choice of converting to Islam or suffer death. The Jews and Christians, whom the Koran calls people of the book, can retain their religion but on the sufferance of accepting humiliation and subjugation to Islam and payment of Jizyah (poll-tax) to the Islamic rulers.

    Now, let us have a closer look at what the Koran says about the infidels:

    Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
    Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood (9:123)
    When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
    Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
    Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
    The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
    Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
    The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
    Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies
    (22:19)
    Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
    The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
    Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
    Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
    Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)

    The Qur’an certainly proclaims that when the time is appropriate, Muslims must use force to convert the unbelievers to Islam. For the non-Muslims, the alternative to this is to pay the humiliating protection money (Jizya tax) or be killed (by beheading, of course). A militarily dominant Islam, without doubt, precludes the peaceful co-existence with the unbelievers if the Muslims have to abide strictly by the unalterable stipulations of the Qur’an.

    The text of the Koran is undeniable. How can you be Muslim and still support our Constitution?

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