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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by kramercat View Post
    "Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim."

    Oh really? There has been an ongoing war, even before ISIS, with Sunni and Shia Muslims killing each other, and both killing Christians - so exactly who is innocent and who is guilty?

    Whether you like it or not, the name of the terrorist group is 'Islamic State'. They want a government governed strictly by Sharia, or Islamic, law. So yes, they are Islamic - the most fundamentalist form of Islam, but Islam.
    The Muslims are waiting for their 'Mahdi' - who is the anti-Christ.
    The Islamic religion itself is anti-Christian. It was created to directly oppose the notion that Jesus Christ died for the sins of mankind, and the Koran says explicitly that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God. So who is so adamantly opposed to Christ? I mean, there is no other religion that takes the religious text of another religion and twists it around to mean something else. The Virgin Mary appears in the Koran, as well as Jesus... only their roles have been changed. Those who think that they are following the same God of Abraham are mistaken - Allah is the ancient moon-god, and the crescent and star derive from him. So who is it that desperately wants mankind to NOT accept Jesus Christ as Savior - why the devil, of course.

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    Wrong.

    The anti-Christs were the Roman soldiers who nailed Jesus Christ to the cross over 2,000 years ago.




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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    A "vast majority" isn't exactly comforting. How many muslims are there in the world and how many are out to kill us? 10%? 20% ? Still allows for a vast majority that aren't out to kill us but a huge number that do.
    If 320 million+ terrorists were out to kill us with anywhere near the same conviction as those who have attacked us in the past, I'm not sure we'd still be here. Even 1% of them would be 16 million. The entire ISIS army is believed to be under 40,000. So the overall number of Muslims wanting to kill us? I'd say more like 0.01%. And that's assuming there are 184,000 "Muslim" terrorists out there, which seems to be a reasonable estimate--maybe even a little high.

    But the fact you jumped to think 10%-20% of them certainly validates the need for POTUS to clarify things.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    LOL. He couldn't clarify the alphabet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    If 320 million+ terrorists were out to kill us with anywhere near the same conviction as those who have attacked us in the past, I'm not sure we'd still be here. Even 1% of them would be 16 million. The entire ISIS army is believed to be under 40,000. So the overall number of Muslims wanting to kill us? I'd say more like 0.01%. And that's assuming there are 184,000 "Muslim" terrorists out there, which seems to be a reasonable estimate--maybe even a little high.

    But the fact you jumped to think 10%-20% of them certainly validates the need for POTUS to clarify things.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I saw what he said. He did not say that "The vast majority of over one billion Muslims are out to kill us. What you are claiming here is absolutely untrue.
    Huh? I never said Obama said anything of the sort. I said he was trying to explain to the people that it's an incredibly small percentage of self-described "Muslims". And i think that's an important message for POTUS to send. Bush did the same after 9/11.

    And they would be right, as anyone with a little understand of the Koran will attest.
    What a book says and what a religion preaches are two very different things. Christianity wouldn't look that great it if was practiced the way it was a few hundred years ago, either, despite the Bible not changing. And radicalized Islam constitutes well under 0.05% of the general Islam teaching.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    [QUOTE=shrubnose;1063748435]Wrong.

    The anti-Christs were the Roman soldiers who nailed Jesus Christ to the cross over 2,000 years ago.

    You are wrong - Pontius Pilate did not want to crucify Jesus, the non-believing Jews did.


    '22 Pilate said to them, “What then shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?”

    They all said to him, “Let Him be crucified!”

    23 Then the governor said, “Why, what evil has He done?”

    But they cried out all the more, saying, “Let Him be crucified!”

    24 When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all, but rather that a tumult was rising, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, “I am innocent of the blood of this just Person. You see to it.”

    25 And all the people answered and said, “His blood be on us and on our children.”

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    Huh? I never said Obama said anything of the sort. I said he was trying to explain to the people that it's an incredibly small percentage of self-described "Muslims". And i think that's an important message for POTUS to send.
    Then why didn't he say that?
    What a book says and what a religion preaches are two very different things.
    That's right. But followers are able to follow any part of the book and still be adherents of, in the case, Mohamed. It doesn't make them non-Muslims by following the teachings of Mohamed even though we disapprove of those teachings.
    Christianity wouldn't look that great it if was practiced the way it was a few hundred years ago, either, despite the Bible not changing.
    Yes, if Christianity was practiced the way it was in early times, but it isn't. Islam has had no significant reforms,and that is the problem. It is not that they are not true Muslims.
    And radicalized Islam constitutes well under 0.05% of the general Islam teaching.
    Can you send a link to support your claim?

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then why didn't he say that?
    He did say that. Radical Islamists are not the same as mainstream Muslims.

    That's right. But followers are able to follow any part of the book and still be adherents of, in the case, Mohamed. It doesn't make them non-Muslims by following the teachings of Mohamed even though we disapprove of those teachings.
    No, but it does separate them from the recognized leaders and teachings of the Muslim faith.

    Yes, if Christianity was practiced the way it was in early times, but it isn't. Islam has had no significant reforms,and that is the problem.
    I completely disagree. There are some 1.6 billion Muslims in the world with only 20% of them being in the Middle-East, where we see the worst practices of it. But even then, the worst aspects are carried out by a tiny fraction of even that 20%.

    Can you send a link to support your claim?
    I already did.
    An estimated 184,000 Muslim terrorists
    And it's easy to verify that there are approx. 1.6 billion Muslims on the planet.

    184,000 / 1,600,000,000 * 100 = 0.01%

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    I think he was trying to isolate the terrorists, but for goodness sakes doesn't he have a whole room of writers?
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I, and he would be basing it on the fact that their behavior isn't consistent with the rest of Islam, the other billion.
    Again, historically speaking....that is not true.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I think he's trying to go No True Scotsman and say that ISIL doesn't represent Islam, but if there was a worse way to spit it out, I can't imagine.
    Oh everything Obama blunders on is just a "mistake" - yeah well he surely seems to make a ****-ton of mistakes then.....

    Obama makes G.W look like Winston Churchill....

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