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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Nope. Not by that logic. Christianity is not the defining element of the KKK. Radical Islam is the defining element of ISIS.
    Look up the meaning of the burning cross and you will rethink your statement. Its unfair to label a religion base on a radical segment. This is why many people are turning away from the church. The segment that spews hateful rhetoric gets all the publicity. The Islam religion has over 2.2 billion followers world wide and yet Americans believe they want to kill Americans.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's pretty consistent with all the other Muslim Caliphates, historically speaking, so I'm not sure what you...and he...are basing such an idea.
    I, and he would be basing it on the fact that their behavior isn't consistent with the rest of Islam, the other billion.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Says who? Since there is no demonstrable "true" version of Islam, just like there isn't any demonstrable "true" version of Christianity, how do we know that their behavior isn't consistent with their particular interpretation of the Qur'an? After all, as I keep saying, there are more than 33,000 distinct sects of Christianity. Prove which one of them, if any, are consistent with Christianity.
    Obama's statement had nothing to do with Christianity. And these guys aren't practicing what their contemporaries are, that's all Obama was saying.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Not consistent with Islam? here's what the Koran says. The Quran's Verses of Violence
    "By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide."

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=124494788

    Ezekiel 9:6 "Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women . . . "

    Isaiah 13:16 "Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished."

    Deuteronomy 13:15 "Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly . . . "

    Leviticus 20:9 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death . . . "

    Exodus 32:27 ". . . Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour."

    Deut 21:10-12 "When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; "

    Exodus 31:15 " . . . whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death."

    Deut 21:21 "And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die . . . "


    SEEMS TO BE SOME SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE EXTREMISM OF THE BIBLE AND THAT OF THE QURAN.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You seem to think Barrack Obama knows and understands who are real Muslims and who isn't. If these aren't real Muslims has he mentioned where they are? Or maybe he thinks Muslims should be like Christians or Jews. Or perhaps he believes Islam is apolitical.

    One thing we know for certain.No matter what Barrack Obama may say, or how ridiculous it might be, there are those loyal followers who will believe every word.
    You know exactly what Obama meant by his statement, have fun. You also know that I'm no loyal follower. You were a loyal follower of Bush, and he was the king of gaff, yet that never deterred you.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Look up the meaning of the burning cross and you will rethink your statement. Its unfair to label a religion base on a radical segment. This is why many people are turning away from the church. The segment that spews hateful rhetoric gets all the publicity. The Islam religion has over 2.2 billion followers world wide and yet Americans believe they want to kill Americans.
    No, I probably won't rethink it. Some groups claim all kinds of connections and justifications for what is unmitigated hate. Recognizing the true nature of such groups is fundamental. Radical Islam is the defining principle behind all such terrorist groups. Christianity is not the defining element of the KKK. Racial hatred is. The KKK would use any set of beliefs they think would gain them support for the specific hatred they spew. Radical Islam is fixated on a specific, rigid set of beliefs founded in specific sections of the Koran most Muslims don't recognize as definitive of Islam at all.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Obama's statement had nothing to do with Christianity. And these guys aren't practicing what their contemporaries are, that's all Obama was saying.
    Which really means nothing. He was trying to be politically correct, trying to insulate mainstream Muslims from his criticisms against ISIL. Well maybe they ought to be criticized. Maybe it's time that mainstream Muslims are told that some of these problems come from the irrational beliefs they have. Of course, Obama would never say such things, honesty isn't part of American politics (or any other country for that matter), but it still needs to be said.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which really means nothing. He was trying to be politically correct, trying to insulate mainstream Muslims from his criticisms against ISIL. Well maybe they ought to be criticized. Maybe it's time that mainstream Muslims are told that some of these problems come from the irrational beliefs they have. Of course, Obama would never say such things, honesty isn't part of American politics (or any other country for that matter), but it still needs to be said.
    True, honesty is rarely (wouldn't go so far as you have) part of American politics. However, all Muslims do NOT need to be compared to these extremists for lots of reasons, politics but one.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    How is it "goofy" to explain that the vast, vast majority of over one billion Muslims aren't out to kill us? I think that's kind of important.
    I saw what he said. He did not say that "The vast majority of over one billion Muslims are out to kill us. What you are claiming here is absolutely untrue.
    I've certainly seen a lot of people state that, along with justifying their stance based on the violence of Mohammed.
    And they would be right, as anyone with a little understand of the Koran will attest.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    He's just feeding the dumb liberal tweety birds. Obama has the righties when it comes to being tough on ISIS. He had them at "bomb". He needed to keep what is left of his lefty support intact. If you listen closely, much of that speech was to mollify the left. They way you do that is make stupid statements that they believe.
    I think you're right. However when he mollifies and talks down to his followers he also sends messages to the enemy and those who might want to help in a coalition. The world needs adult leadership and instead elects someone from the teachers lounge to lead the country.

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