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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Superman is a fictional characters whereas Muslims are real. This shouldn't need explaining.
    You can appear ignorant if you want to, but that's up to you.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How so? he didn't have to mention Islam at all.
    I already explained why it was necessary.

    Perhaps his followers need this explained to them, but they are the only ones.
    Which makes no sense since it's not his followers who traditionally claim all of Islam is a danger to us.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    I already explained why it was necessary.
    That's just it. Your explanation made no sense. If it did millions of people, including ourselves, wouldn't even be having this conversation.
    Which makes no sense since it's not his followers who traditionally claim all of Islam is a danger to us.
    Who is saying all of Islam is a danger? Can you name names here? I have never heard anyone say that.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's just it. Your explanation made no sense. If it did millions of people, including ourselves, wouldn't even be having this conversation.
    Just because people refuse to change their opinions doesn't mean Obama didn't have the obligation, as a leader, to try to calm tensions against an innocent group of people.

    Who is saying all of Islam is a danger? Can you name names here? I have never heard anyone say that.
    You haven't been paying very close attention to the past 13 years. There's been a consistent section of the American population that believes Islam is inherently a violent religion and seek to convince other people of that. That's classic fear-mongering and classic dehumanizing, both of which are preludes to the justification of violence against a group of people.

    If you need names, plenty of people voted "No" in this recent poll on this very site:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...ion-peace.html

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    Just because people refuse to change their opinions doesn't mean Obama didn't have the obligation, as a leader, to try to calm tensions against an innocent group of people.
    Is that what he was doing? Calming tensions? How does it calm tensions when a US President says obviously goofy things?
    You haven't been paying very close attention to the past 13 years. There's been a consistent section of the American population that believes Islam is inherently a violent religion and seek to convince other people of that. That's classic fear-mongering and classic dehumanizing, both of which are preludes to the justification of violence against a group of people.
    I have been paying attention but, in case I missed it, who are these group of people? Anyone we have heard of?
    If you need names, plenty of people voted "No" in this recent poll on this very site:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...ion-peace.html
    And what does this mean to you? That Islam is inherently a violent religion?

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Is that what he was doing? Calming tensions? How does it calm tensions when a US President says obviously goofy things?
    How is it "goofy" to explain that the vast, vast majority of over one billion Muslims aren't out to kill us?
    I think that's kind of important.

    I have been paying attention but, in case I missed it, who are these group of people? Anyone we have heard of?
    And what does this mean to you? That Islam is inherently a violent religion?
    I've certainly seen a lot of people state that, along with justifying their stance based on the violence of Mohammed.

    But if you really need reality spoon-fed to you, some links proving my point:
    God Hates Islam
    Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time
    Endless Jihad: The Truth about Islam and Violence | Catholic Answers
    Top ten reasons why Islam is not a religion of peace
    Majority of Americans think Islam promotes violence more than other religions - The Week

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    He's just feeding the dumb liberal tweety birds. Obama has the righties when it comes to being tough on ISIS. He had them at "bomb". He needed to keep what is left of his lefty support intact. If you listen closely, much of that speech was to mollify the left. They way you do that is make stupid statements that they believe.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    A "vast majority" isn't exactly comforting. How many muslims are there in the world and how many are out to kill us? 10%? 20% ? Still allows for a vast majority that aren't out to kill us but a huge number that do.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    How is it "goofy" to explain that the vast, vast majority of over one billion Muslims aren't out to kill us?
    I think that's kind of important.



    I've certainly seen a lot of people state that, along with justifying their stance based on the violence of Mohammed.

    But if you really need reality spoon-fed to you, some links proving my point:
    God Hates Islam
    Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time
    Endless Jihad: The Truth about Islam and Violence | Catholic Answers
    Top ten reasons why Islam is not a religion of peace
    Majority of Americans think Islam promotes violence more than other religions - The Week

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's not a personal attack. I don't even know who you are.

    Why do you deny they are Muslims when they call themselves Muslims? Is there any evidence whatsoever that they are not?

    The same reason you would deny that Fred Phelps is a Christian or even a Baptist. Because they aren't and just because they say they are doesn't make it so.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Not consistent with Islam? here's what the Koran says. The Quran's Verses of Violence
    And I'll counter with verses that address the death of innocence.

    What Islam Really Says about Killing the Innocent

    The Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) has given clear instructions about the behaviour of the Muslim army. He observed:

    "Set out for Jihad in the name of Allah and for the sake of Allah. Do not lay hands on the old verging on death, on women, children and babes. Do not steal anything from the booty and collect together all that falls to your lot in the battlefield and do good, for Allah loves the virtuous and the pious."

    So great is the respect for humanly feelings in Islam that even the wanton destruction of enemy's crops or property is strictly forbidden. The righteous Caliphs followed closely the teachings of Allah and those of His Apostle in letter and spirit the celebrated address which the first Caliph Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) gave to his army while sending her on the expedition to the Syrian borders is permeated with the noble spirit with which the war in Islam is permitted. He said:

    "Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman. nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock. save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone"

    It is said that once at the time of conquest, a singing girl was brought to al-Muhajir b. Abu Umayya who had been publicly singing satirical poems about Hadrat Abu Bakr. Muhajir got her hand amputated. When the Caliph heard this news, he was shocked and wrote a letter to Muhajir in the following words:

    "I have learnt that you laid hands on a woman who had hurled abuses on me, and, therefore, got her hand amputated. God has not sought vengeance even in the case of polytheism, which is a great crime. He has not permitted mutilation even with regard to manifest infidelity. Try to be considerate and sympathetic in your attitude towards others in future. Never mutilate, because it is a grave offence. God purified Islam and the Muslims from rashness and excessive wrath. You are well aware of the fact that those enemies fell into the hands of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) who had been recklessly abusing him; who had turned him out of his home; and who fought against him, but he never permitted their mutilation."

    Another letter written by hadrat 'Umar the Second Caliph, which is addressed to Sa'd b. Abu Waqqas, speaks eloquently of the noble spirit with which the Muslims have bear exhorted to take up arms:

    "Always search your minds and hearts and stress upon your men the need of perfect integrity and sincerity in the cause of Allah. There should be no material end before them in laying down their lives. but they abould deem it a means whereby they can please their Lord and entitle them. selves to His favour: such a spirit of selflessness should be inculcated in the minds of those who unfortunately lack it. Be firm in the thick of the battle as Allah helps man according to the perseverance that he shows in the cause of His faith and he would be rewarded in accordance with the spirit of sacrifice which he displays for the sake of the Lord. Be careful that those who have been entrusted to your care receive no harm at your hands and are never deprived of any of their legitimate rights."
    A man without fear is a fool, a man that succumbs to his fear is a coward and a brave man acknowledges fear yet presses on.
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