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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Apparently every human being doesn't know these things because there are plenty of countries where these morals are not taught where things happen quite differently. Just because you want that to be true doesn't actually make it true. Even in our own country, there are things that go on that might violate our own moral sense, but they happen nonetheless and you're just pretending that there has to be something wrong with people who do something you disagree with because you don't want to deal with the reality that your moral position isn't objective.

    This is the problem with a lot of libertarian thought, it revolves around a really ridiculous assumption that there are these magical, mystical rights just floating around in the ether that exist everywhere, just because you want them to. Natural rights are nonsense. The rights we have in this country, the rights that are enumerated in the founding documents of this country, exist because the founding fathers wanted them and put them there. If we were to do it all over today, a lot of what appears in the founding documents certainly wouldn't appear in the new ones. The world has changed and will continue to change and clinging desperately to the past, just because some people that you respect wrote it down, doesn't really help us go anywhere useful.
    I've said it once already, but it's worth repeating, that not everything this country, or the west in general does, do I believe is right. There are many things about our society that I believe is wrong. However, it still goes without saying that you have a better shot at a happy life in the west today, then almost anywhere else in the world. That's where the Natural rights, (which we're getting a little off subject if we are bringing that up) comes into play. Again, the Bill of Rights is great start, but it's not perfect, but there pretty good. Like I said before, it's when humans start mucking about, or enumerating said rights and deeming what is right and wrong, where things get a little mucky. Lastly, on the murder front, I've done missionary work in Africa, and I know that life can be hard on a person and it can lead to that person doing despicable things, but when I look into the eyes of a small child, no matter where he's born, I've never seen a murderous villain in them.

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    I've neither condoned nor condemned a thing, the lack of one is not the presence of the other. There are plenty of things that I would both condone and condemn, but I'd never do either of them because of a sound byte, a statement that something is right or wrong, simply because it is right or wrong. I could actually defend my views in detail and I also recognize that my views are just my opinions, just as yours are, even if you're unwilling to acknowledge that.
    I wonder how long injustices like slavery and women's rights went a long, because people didn't want to get involved and risk offending others?

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh dood...you are so full of **** its scary. Anytime it is convenient, liberals rush to drag them in as an example of 'Christianity'. Every liberal? No. But plenty of them? You bet.
    I'm dragging them in not as representative of Christianity as a whole, but as an example of a very "non-Christian" (as in, they don't do a very good job following Christ). I don't look at them as representative of the whole of Christianity, and I don't look at ISIS/L as representative of the whole of Islam. THAT is the only comparison. I'm not bringing them in as "but...but...Christians," but as an example of extremists that don't represent the whole religion that everybody would have heard of.


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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It is 'liberals' who are trying to deflect from the fact that ISL is Islamic by bringing in another religion. Why is that? Is it anther of those 'they all do it' arguments and, if so, what's the point?
    That wasn't the point, and if you think it was you missed the point completely. Which a lot of people are doing here.

    There is no comparison between the groups in their actions. Both, however, represent extremist sects that don't do a very good job at following their stated religion, and do not represent the religion as a whole.

    Anybody who thinks I did that completely missed my point, which sadly is typical around here.


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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'm dragging them in not as representative of Christianity as a whole, but as an example of a very "non-Christian" (as in, they don't do a very good job following Christ). I don't look at them as representative of the whole of Christianity, and I don't look at ISIS/L as representative of the whole of Islam. THAT is the only comparison. I'm not bringing them in as "but...but...Christians," but as an example of extremists that don't represent the whole religion that everybody would have heard of.
    And you believe that this was a point which only you and a few chosen others understood?

    Maybe this bears repeating yet again. Not all Muslims are terrorists! Can we finally put that cliche away?

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You and Nazi apologists seem to post this every chance you get. You must have this handy somewhere.

    ISIL is an Islamic group. I think we should learn to take them at their word, accept it, and move on.
    As usual, you cannot refute what I said and instead resort to personal attacks. Just because they call themselves Islamic, doesn't make it so. But please continue with your foaming at the mouth comments.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And you believe that this was a point which only you and a few chosen others understood?
    Given the number of responses saying that there's no comparison between Westboro and ISIS, apparently it is.


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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Where did I say that? Are you sure you're responding to the correct post?
    Thought you were implying something different. Carry on.
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    It's an obvious attempt to reach out to the non radical elements of the Muslim community, in order to prevent ostracization. It's an approach that was mirrored, and some would argue in even greater quantity, by his predecessor.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    The point, which is apparently lost on conservatives, is that if one claims to be a religious "nation" one should uphold the tenets of that religion. Islam does not condone the slaughter of innocent children.

    As the President said:
    I mean really, the lengths conservatives will go to claim Obama is wrong is disheartening.
    Another tin foil hat wearing liberal. Notice how liberals hate the U.S. the worst president in history can do no wrong.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Every religion condones the killing of innocents.
    Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.

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